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Offline Rosinish

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Re: Where & when did Caroline Jude (m/s Nisbet) marry Mr Henderson?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 03 September 17 01:33 BST (UK) »
Certainly looks like her in 1861 so will check the 1871.

Annie

Add...I did get the original 1861 just incase there was anything else to glean from it.

However, Wm Henderson is recorded as Married & Caroline a Widow.
I wonder how they connect so soon after her hubby's death which was 30 Aug 1860 in N/Shields?

Furthermore, what type of accommodation was it as there are 24 people listed under that same address of 3 North Albion Street, St. David, Glasgow?
South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Where & when did Caroline Jude (m/s Nisbet) marry Mr Henderson?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 03 September 17 14:40 BST (UK) »
Timeline

b c1825-1830 Caroline Nisbet (DC & 1861 which looks to be her as she's a widow, b Eng)
Parents James Nisbet & Mary Jenkinson (No birth/bapt. found as Nisbet or Jenkinson)

1851 Caroline Nesbitt married Martin Jude (Jun Qtr, N/Castle) - I don't have the cert.

1852 Birth of son Martin William Jude

1859 Birth & Death of son Nathan William Ross Jude

Census'

1841 - Can't find Caroline as Nesbit/Nisbet etc. or Jenkinson
1851 - Can't find Caroline as Jude or Nesbit/Nisbet etc. as she may have married after census?
1861 - Found Caroline 'W' (widow) in Scotland in the house of Wm Henderson 'Head' 'M' but her son Martin is with his half brother Anthony in England
1871 - Can't find Caroline as Jude or Henderson (see 1876 below)
1876 - Son Martin married giving his mother as 'Caroline Henderson, previously Jude'
1881 - As 1871
1891 - As 1871
1898 - Caroline died in Leith, Edinburgh as Jude/Nisbet

From the above I have absolutely no info. on Caroline as to when/where exactly she was born.

I can't find her parents marriage or in any census'

I know that the surname Nisbet is a borders name i.e. Scotland/England & not too common (in terms), Jenkinson is possibly Welsh & uncommon (in terms) & the surname Jude (my direct line) is found mainly around Newcastle/Durham areas.

With a name like Caroline (not too common for the times) attached to either of the above surnames is not common yet I can't find anything about her  ::)

Annie



South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Where & when did Caroline Jude (m/s Nisbet) marry Mr Henderson?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 03 September 17 15:22 BST (UK) »
b c1825-1830 Caroline Nisbet (DC & 1861 which looks to be her as she's a widow, b Eng)
Parents James Nisbet & Mary Jenkinson (No birth bapt. found as Nisbet or Jenkinson)

This is too much of a coincidence even though the age doesn't match

Baptism St Margaret's Westminster, 16th August 1820 Caroline, daughter of James & Mary Nisbett, Orchard Street, father's occupation Japanner.

1851 census (taken on 30th March 1851)

HO 107 / 2406/ 252/ 7
11, Stowell Street, Newcastle upon Tyne

Mary Leighton, head, widow, owner of property, Northumberland Kenton
Caroline Nesbitt, lodger, unm, 31, formerly milliner, Middlesex London

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Re: Where & when did Caroline Jude (m/s Nisbet) marry Mr Henderson?
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 03 September 17 15:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jen,

I agree, it is too much of a coincidence!

I would like to think it's definitely her with a birth year c1820 as it actually fits better with the age of her husband as he was born 1803 although Caroline was his 2nd wife & I only had her age given on her death in 1898 as 68 (1830)!

Where was she for all the other census'....I need to move my window on her age  ;)

Edit...This may lead me to a birth/bapt?

"Baptism St Margaret's Westminster, 16th August 1820 Caroline, daughter of James & Mary Nisbett, Orchard Street, father's occupation Japanner"

What's your source Jen please?

Apologies, was searching the census then a phone call & forgot you'd posted the bapt. info. & had started my message before being interrupted (sad news) as my thoughts were elsewhere  ::)

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, Cumming, MacPhee

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Re: Where & when did Caroline Jude (m/s Nisbet) marry Mr Henderson?
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 03 September 17 15:54 BST (UK) »
1871 census.

118 West Nile St., Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanarkshire,
William Henderson, 46, Anchinen (?), b. Paisley, Renfrewshire,
Mrs Henderson, wife, 46, Ambores wife (?), b. London,

Details off you know what so can't see original for confirmation of occupations.

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Northumberland - Smith, Willis,
Durham - Rogerson, Child
Cumberland - Irving, Hill
North Yorkshire - Layfield,
Ireland - Collins

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Where & when did Caroline Jude (m/s Nisbet) marry Mr Henderson?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 03 September 17 15:59 BST (UK) »
1851 think same family, same address, no Caroline

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXR-FCX

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Squire/Thomas/Davies/Gibbons/Mordecai/Bowen/Lewis/Rees/Williams/Jones/Llewellyn/Morgan - Glamorgan
Lewis - Breckonshire
Davies/Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd/Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Thackwell/Thomas - Hereford/Monmouthshire
Shoemac/Squire/Keirle/Small - Somerset
Berry/Baggot/Lee/Clayton - Lancs
Yelland/Bray/Trethewey - Cornwall
Baggot/Hurley/Keaveny/Shiel/Flynn - Ireland

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Re: Where & when did Caroline Jude (m/s Nisbet) marry Mr Henderson?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 03 September 17 16:00 BST (UK) »
Where was she for all the other census'....I need to move my window on her age  ;)

This may lead me to a birth/bapt?


I suggested her baptism in my earlier reply  :-\
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Re: Where & when did Caroline Jude (m/s Nisbet) marry Mr Henderson?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 03 September 17 16:01 BST (UK) »
1851 think same family, no Caroline

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGXR-FCX

Cas

That looks good, birthplace is the same as Caroline's baptism place  :)
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