Thomas Smith Born Leeds c1854

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I am wondering if anyone can help trace Thomas Smith Born Leeds about 1854 but lived in Aston Birmingham.  I am doing this research for a friend and this is what I have found
Thomas Smith married Amy Billingsley 1879 in Birmingham I have found the records for that.  I have also found a child Thomas John Smith born to them in 1877 before they were married.  I have found Thomas Smith in 1911 living in Cardiff with a new wife named as Annie, I was told he married a Sarah Ann after Amy Billingsley.  There are two children in 1911 William Henry Smith born c1886 (mother was Amy) and Ellen (Mary Ellen born 1893 to Sarah Anne and Thomas. , notes on the 1911 census says they have been married 20 years.  I have found a Thomas Smith in Birmingham with Amy and John Thomas Smith in 1881 but the record says that Thomas was born in Northampton and the 1911 says Leeds Yorkshire, very confusing. I have also found William Henry in Cardiff in 1939 .  There was another son born to Thomas and Amy in 1880  but he died in 1884. but he is not on the 1881 census, if I have the right family.  I cannot find Thomas Smith or any of the family in 1891. Also would like to find Thomas Smith's father but with a common name not much chance.  Thanks for any help.  NEATWHEAT 

[PaulineJ]

So you "have an 1879 marriage", yet don't give occupation, nor parent, nor witness names.

You've said nothing about when/where Amy died nor where they should be in 1891?

[rosie99]

Sorry but your post is very hard to read 

I am wondering if anyone can help trace Thomas Smith Born Leeds about 1854 but lived in Aston Birmingham. 

Thomas Smith married Amy Billingsley 1879 in Birmingham I have found the records for that.
I have also found a child Thomas John Smith born to them in 1877 before they were married.

I have found Thomas Smith in 1911 living in Cardiff with a new wife named as Annie, I was told he married a Sarah Ann after Amy Billingsley.  There are two children in 1911 William Henry Smith born c1886 (mother was Amy) and Ellen (Mary Ellen born 1893 to Sarah Anne and Thomas. , notes on the 1911 census says they have been married 20 years.
 
I have found a Thomas Smith in Birmingham with Amy and John Thomas Smith in 1881 but the record says that Thomas was born in Northampton and the 1911 says Leeds Yorkshire, very confusing. I have also found William Henry in Cardiff in 1939 .

There was another son born to Thomas and Amy in 1880  but he died in 1884. but he is not on the 1881 census, if I have the right family.

I cannot find Thomas Smith or any of the family in 1891. Also would like to find Thomas Smith's father but with a common name not much chance. 

[rosie99]

I have found Thomas Smith in 1911 living in Cardiff with a new wife named as Annie, I was told he married a Sarah Ann after Amy Billingsley.  There are two children in 1911 William Henry Smith born c1886 (mother was Amy) and Ellen (Mary Ellen born 1893 to Sarah Anne and Thomas. , notes on the 1911 census says they have been married 20 years.
 

Can you please give the full details from this census

[PaulineJ]

SMITH, THOMAS       BILLINGSLEY     1879  D Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 416
SMITH, MARY  ANN     BILLINGSLEY     1881  D Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 260
SMITH, ERNEST  EDWARD     BILLINGSLEY     1883  S Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 275
SMITH, WILLIAM  HENRY     BILLINGSLEY     1885  D Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 277
 

[PaulineJ]

1881 Census in ASTON

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-6F2D

AMY and kids in 1891 ASTON
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WKYF-BZM

Kids in 1901 Aston

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSZ8-6W3

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1911 Census details   - 
Thomas Smith Age in 1911   57yrs
Relation to Head   Head
Gender   Male
Born   Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish Cardiff in the Countyof Glamorgan Wales
Address 8 Railway Terrace Canton Cardiff
Marital Status Married 21 years Estimated Marriage Year abt   1890
Occupation Stone Machinist
Registration district Cardiff
Registration District Number 588 Sub-registration district West Cardiff
Household schedule number 312 Piece 32150
Household Members
Thomas Smith   57yr
Annie Smith   42yr
William Smith   25yr
Ellen Smith   18yr
Mabel Bowden   22yr

Mabel Bowden married William Smith and Ellen is the daughter of Thomas and Annie (Sarah Anne)

John Thomas Birth was in Birmingham St Stephen 1877 Mother Amy Billingsley Father Thomas Smith They married two years later in 1879 in Aston

Baptism in 25.11.1885 of William Henry Smith Mother Imay Father Thomas Smith at Ashted Warwickshire birth 5 November 1885.

[NEATWHEAT]

Hi Pauline J

I only have the marriage for 1879 from the Free BMD, no details of occupation or witnesses unfortunately

[PaulineJ]

Hi Pauline J
I only have the marriage for 1879 from the Free BMD, no details of occupation or witnesses unfortunately

Then you'll have to purchase it to progress back.

You were also asked for the 1911 in full, yet no kids's birthplaces. and someone's telling porkies about being wed in 1890, or you have the wrong man. I can't see an obvious link between the 1911 head of house and 1881