Thomas Smith Born Leeds c1854

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Hi Pauline
I am wondering if Thomas Smith has been a bit sneaky and married Sarah Anne whilst still married to Amy.  He is missing on the 1891 census as someone has kindly looked up for me, Amy is on her own with the children and in 1901 the children are on their own, no father or mother on the census.  Now I have to find where Thomas Smith was in 1891 and 1901.  It is definately in the 1911 census in Cardiff, it all fits, Thomas born in Leeds, stonemason William Henry born in Birmingham and Ellen is Mary Ellen child of Thomas and Sarah Anne (Annie) William Henry Smith Married Mabel Bowden in Cardiff and had a child Clifford Smith.  I will now try and find Thomas and also the marriage.  Thanks for the help NEATWHEAT

[rosie99]

Just for information we are not allowed to copy/paste from online sources we have to transcribe it ourselves 

Link to 1911 on familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW6K-Z2B

1901 same family
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSMC-XSY

[rosie99]

Marriage of William Henry Smith & Mabel Bowden gives Thomas's occupation as Machinist.  Witnesses were Ernest Edward Smith & Mary Ellen Smith

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Thank you Rosie, that proves that they had more children than my friend thought, he only gave me Thomas Smith who died age 4 and William Henry Smith who is his grandfather.  I found John Thomas Smith. 

Thank you everyone for your help

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We now have the Marriage Certificate for Thomas Smith and Amy Billingsley in 1879 but not really much help, the father of the groom is John Smith Deceased and he was a Iron Moulder  The witnesses are from the BIllingsley Family.  The marriage took place in Birmingham but Thomas was born in Leeds, I have found a family in Leeds in 1861 of John Smith, Ann Smith  (wife) With a son Thomas Smith and age fits,  with sisters Sarah and Priscilla but no proof this is the right family
Regards
NEATWHEAT

[PaulineJ]

If you want help/ advice then transcribe that  1861 census which you think may be your man.

[rosie99]

That Priscilla appears to have married James Speight - Thomas witnessed the marriage with a x (Typical)  - Did he sign his certificate

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Yes he did sign his own marriage certificate and Amy his wife did

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I hope I have got this right and used the correct way to post this but here is the 1861 census which could be Thomas with father John

the 1861 link
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7X1-31J