hill, marriages and deaths.

[robert g shaw]

hi

its a long shot, but i was wondering if anyone could supply any m ore info on the 'hills' listed below. any ages, or residences would be helpful. ive discovered all i can so the info is probably non existent, but its worth a try. (tried everything but ancestry)

marriages -

1725 samuel hill to mary bakewell at dalbury

1749 thomas hill to elenore oxley at darley

burials -

1737 - samuel hill at dalbury

1754 - samuel hill at dalbury

1776 - thomas hill at winster

1790 - thomas hill at wirksworth

1798 - thomas hill at winster

thanks.

[emeltom]

Both marriages are on the FreeReg site.

Samuel and Mary married 6 April 1725 he was from Duffield she was from Trusley

Thomas and Eleanor married 5 September 1749 he was from Nottingham and she was from Darley

Re the burials, they are on FindMyPast and give the exact date of burial.

Emeltom

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
Do you have the Will of Samuel Hill of Dalbury Lees died 1737? Made 21 March 1736
He leaves land in Dalbury and Langley to his son Samuel when he is 21
£20 to son William when he reaches 21.
If the sons die then the money goes to my sister Elizabeth Roome and my brother Thomas Dotlow.
He provides for his loving wife Ann to administer his estate and look after their sons.
Then there are bequests to John Hill son of brother Nathaniel
Samuel Hill son of brother John Hill
Thomas and John Roome sons of sister Elizabeth Roome.

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Samuel Hill's will 1755 Made 14 May 1754.
Father in law Robert Birkin and my dear mother his wife for the term of their natural life my real estate.
Then to cousin John Hill s of Nathaniel Hill paying 40 shillings to his brothers Samuel,Joseph,William and Nathaniel (or to cousin Samuel  s of uncle John if he is already dead?)
£7 to cousins John,Thomas and Elizabeth Roome.
Cousins Joseph and Elizabeth Tatlow children of Joseph Tatlow £10
Samuel son of my uncle John Hill £10

Presumably he is the son of Samuel and Mary baptised 27.11.1699 at Dalbury

Grandfather's Will 1724 at Dalbury Lees mentions wife Ann,sons Samuel who gets the cottage and land ,John,Nathniel,daughter Elizabeth and son William.Made 10.8.1722.
Son Nathaniel baptised 11.4.1703 son of Samuel.

So we have grandparents Samuel died 1724 and Mary or Ann
Their Children Samuel 1699,John 9.2.1700 s of Samuel and Mary ,Nathaniel 1703,Elizabeth 26.11.1704 d of Samuel and Mary,and William born ?

I'm assuming his second  wife was the marriage to Ann Ellot 25.11.1718 at Dalbury

Great grandfather Ralph died 1673 wife Elizabeth ,children Samuel,John and Sarah
Grandfather Samuel 7.11.1664 (son of Ralph) -1724
Son Samuel 1699-1736
grandson Samuel -1754

Ciderdrinker

[robert g shaw]

Both marriages are on the FreeReg site.

Samuel and Mary married 6 April 1725 he was from Duffield she was from Trusley

Thomas and Eleanor married 5 September 1749 he was from Nottingham and she was from Darley

Re the burials, they are on FindMyPast and give the exact date of burial.

Emeltom

hi... thanks for that, i know the dates (i was being lazy earlier lol) but i did not know who came from where. so i can now rule out thomas and eleanor as 'my' thomas was probably derbyshire born, and he didnt start having children (with an unknown wife) until 1755 at brailsford.

'my' thomas had 3 sons in brailsford, 1755 thomas, 1757 samuel and 1760 william, who i believe is most likely to be 'my' direct ancestor.

i believe its likely that thomas the father was the son of samuel and mary born 1727 at dalbury.

[robert g shaw]

Hi
Do you have the Will of Samuel Hill of Dalbury Lees died 1737? Made 21 March 1736
He leaves land in Dalbury and Langley to his son Samuel when he is 21
£20 to son William when he reaches 21.
If the sons die then the money goes to my sister Elizabeth Roome and my brother Thomas Dotlow.
He provides for his loving wife Ann to administer his estate and look after their sons.
Then there are bequests to John Hill son of brother Nathaniel
Samuel Hill son of brother John Hill
Thomas and John Roome sons of sister Elizabeth Roome.

.


Samuel Hill's will 1755 Made 14 May 1754.
Father in law Robert Birkin and my dear mother his wife for the term of their natural life my real estate.
Then to cousin John Hill s of Nathaniel Hill paying 40 shillings to his brothers Samuel,Joseph,William and Nathaniel (or to cousin Samuel  s of uncle John if he is already dead?)
£7 to cousins John,Thomas and Elizabeth Roome.
Cousins Joseph and Elizabeth Tatlow children of Joseph Tatlow £10
Samuel son of my uncle John Hill £10

Presumably he is the son of Samuel and Mary baptised 27.11.1699 at Dalbury

Grandfather's Will 1724 at Dalbury Lees mentions wife Ann,sons Samuel who gets the cottage and land ,John,Nathniel,daughter Elizabeth and son William.Made 10.8.1722.
Son Nathaniel baptised 11.4.1703 son of Samuel.

So we have grandparents Samuel died 1724 and Mary or Ann
Their Children Samuel 1699,John 9.2.1700 s of Samuel and Mary ,Nathaniel 1703,Elizabeth 26.11.1704 d of Samuel and Mary,and William born ?

I'm assuming his second  wife was the marriage to Ann Ellot 25.11.1718 at Dalbury

Great grandfather Ralph died 1673 wife Elizabeth ,children Samuel,John and Sarah
Grandfather Samuel 7.11.1664 (son of Ralph) -1724
Son Samuel 1699-1736
grandson Samuel -1754

Ciderdrinker

wow..... where did you find these wills?... are there any more for any hills around dalbury, brailsford, duffield areas?

thank you VERY much for this info, it confirms many things ive found and throws up some surprises.

im currently trying to tie in thomas who had 3 sons in neighbouring brailsford from 1775-1760, samuel thomas  and william. i can find no marriage but theres a birth in dalbury in 1727 to father samuel .  i know theres a marriage of a samuel of trusley to mary bakewell in dalbury in 1725 and i think they had samuel 1725, thomas 1727 and two marys in 1731 and 1733.

[ciderdrinker]

Hi
They are all of FindMyPast.
The only other Wills I can see for Dalbury are Ralph 1673 details of family   I've given you under the grandfather bit and an Admin for Ralph Hill 1671.That's just an inventory for Ralph Hill junior presumably the son of the chap Ralph Hill who died 1673.

Sorry but there's no Wills for Duffield or Brailsford for Hill.
And I'm afraid I don't know Derbyshire well enough to guess which parishes are close by.

Nathaniel Hill is the one of the family having children in Brailsford during the 1730's so I'd take a closer look at him and his wife Elizabeth Frost married Ashbourne 4 Dec 1728.
Your definitely on to the right family ,it's just finding the connection.

And how is there's that brother of Samuel who died 1737 ,how come he has a brother Thomas with a different surname? Could it be a middle name or nickname? 

Have you got FindMyPast?

Ciderdrinker

[robert g shaw]

Hi
They are all of FindMyPast.
The only other Wills I can see for Dalbury are Ralph 1673 details of family   I've given you under the grandfather bit and an Admin for Ralph Hill 1671.That's just an inventory for Ralph Hill junior presumably the son of the chap Ralph Hill who died 1673.

Sorry but there's no Wills for Duffield or Brailsford for Hill.
And I'm afraid I don't know Derbyshire well enough to guess which parishes are close by.

Nathaniel Hill is the one of the family having children in Brailsford during the 1730's so I'd take a closer look at him and his wife Elizabeth Frost married Ashbourne 4 Dec 1728.
Your definitely on to the right family ,it's just finding the connection.

And how is there's that brother of Samuel who died 1737 ,how come he has a brother Thomas with a different surname? Could it be a middle name or nickname? 

Have you got FindMyPast?

Ciderdrinker

lol, yes i have find my past, never knew about finding wills on it! *blush*.

i dont understand the thomas with a different surname either.

i think i have the connection to the family you found wills for.

my certain ancestor was william 1760, brailsford. he had 2 older brothers born in brailsford as previously mentioned, samuel and thomas. now at williams marriage, his two witnesses were thomas and joshua...(hill)... the only joshua hill i could find in the area at the time was one born in 1762 in muggington to a thomas and hester.

now i think its the same family, as brailsford is adjacent to muggington, and when they moved from one parish to the next, subsequent children had their mothers name mentioned too.

when williams older brothers married, in derby, they were both recorded as living at muggington - and were both millers. i know william and his son william were millers, so i think this is pretty conclusive.

so thomas.... i can find no marriage for thomas to hester or ester, or indeed any other person in the few years before their first child was born.

so looking at births for thomas - there is one in 1727 whos father was samuel. Samuel was the name of thomas's, william (snr) and william (jnr) first born sons. so its clearly an important familiar name, and that fits in perfectly with the samuels decended from ralph as they were quite wealthy. i believe this samuel is the grandson of ralph, the one who died in 1754.

does this sound reasonable to you?

dalbury close to brailsford, muggington, and not too far from duffield.

cheers!

[ciderdrinker]

Sounds good to me

Ciderdrinker

[robert g shaw]

Sounds good to me

Ciderdrinker

cheers, appreciate your input