family history of travelling showmen

[Wendy Downie]

A marriage between Armand snr and Catherine Horden would make everything fit nicely. Maybe in Ireland

Have been unable to find a marriage certificate, but do have census return 1881 in Wales,wife Catherine and two of their children

[Wendy Downie]

Hi Wendy, there is a birth of a Armond Carloman in Q1 of 1866 in Blackburn registration district. Is this your ancestor?

Do you know where Armand and William lived or how you have got back to them? It may help to share as much as you know.

Also, I see there is a James Armand Carloman (possible later relative) who served in WW1. He was born 16 January 1897 and his father was Henry and mother Mary Ann

from new GRO index, Armond Carloman's mother's maiden name was Horden. But can't find a likely marriagr

Hi Wendy, there is a birth of a Armond Carloman in Q1 of 1866 in Blackburn registration district. Is this your ancestor?

Do you know where Armand and William lived or how you have got back to them? It may help to share as much as you know.

Also, I see there is a James Armand Carloman (possible later relative) who served in WW1. He was born 16 January 1897 and his father was Henry and mother Mary Ann

date=1504891457]I have found James and established he is son of Henry and it would appear that Armond senior travelled across the centr of England and into Wales, perhaps even over wintering in Glasgow. William Coats also overwintered in Glasgow and travelled the south of Scotland and north of England in the season.

A marriage between Armand snr and Catherine Horden would make everything fit nicely. Maybe in Ireland

Have been unable to find a marriage certificate, but do have census return 1881 in Wales,wife Catherine and two of their children
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[willsy]

Just came across this one on freebmd

Marriages Dec 1880 
CERLOMEN    Armond        Nottingham    7b/415      
JOHNSTON    Catherine         Nottingham   

and from a disc
06 Dec 1880 St Mary Nottingham
Catherine    Johnston
Armond Cerlomen

[willsy]

There is a baptism as I am struggling to find birth info

England Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Christancia Carloman   
Birth 26 Sep 1867
Baptism date    02 Sep 1868
parents Hermann Carloman and Maria Jordan
St Francis Xavier, Oldbury, Dudley, Birmingham

I think the godparents are Augustimus Porri and Anna.
If so think he is Austin Porri who marries Annie Nixon, John Porri, his father was a hawker. Austin's marriage is online and matches his occ. on the census returns as photographer and born in Nottingham. He travelled a bit too looking at census returns.

Is it your tree online with wife Mary Jordan?

[davidqueneherve]

Hi,

James COATS and Ann CARLOMAN

Place of marriage :    Blythswood,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Date of Marriage :    05/25/1875

[davidqueneherve]

Marriage of Henry CARLOMAN (son of Armon CARLOMAN) and Mary Ann ECCLESTON

Place of marriage :    St. Stephen's, Birmingham, Warwick, England
Date of Marriage :    12/07/1891

Henry CARLOMAN is 33 years old in the 1901 census (Stafford St Pauls). He is a dobby horse proprietor. His wife is 32.

in 1891 (Sherburn, Durham), he is a showman (menagerie) with his brother Wm.

In 1894, a son, John William Henry, baptized on August 2d (St. Mark's, Wolverhampton, Stafford) Place of Birth : 1 Court, 3 House, Darlington Street.

In 1895, a daughter, Caroline, baptized on June 20th (St. Mark's, Wolverhampton, Stafford). Place of Birth : Darlington Arms Yard, Darlington Street.

[davidqueneherve]

The wife of Armand CARLOMAN senior ?

Name:    Mary Carloman
Birth:    abt 1831
Death:    Oct 1875 - Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland

[davidqueneherve]

The Era London, England

7 May 1898
THE SHOWMAN WORLD

the fair at Reading, Berks. In the presence of a considerable nurmrber of his old friends, the remains of the late Mr Armond Carloman were laid at rest on Friday morning, 29th ult., in Knock Burial Ground, near Beltast. The attendance included Mr W. Toft

[davidqueneherve]

Wednesfield St Thomas's Parish Register Indexes: Burials, 1751
blackcountryhistory.org/collections/getrecord/GB149_PRI_41_C1/
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5 Jun 1878, CADMAN, James, 72 of Wolverhampton. son of Robert Cadman ... 24 Aug 1895, CARLOMAN, John William Henry, 19 months of Wolverhampton