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FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« on: Saturday 09 September 17 19:06 BST (UK) »
I have these baptisms form Family Search.
Baptism: 1 Jan 1827 St Peter, Liverpool, John Richard Litherland - [Child] of Richard Litherland & Frances      Abode: May St.      Occupation: Clockmaker

All these have the same abode and occupation
Baptism: 3 May 1829 St Peter, Liverpool,
 John Rice Litherland - [Child] of Richard Litherland & Frances
Abode: Great Crosshall Street      Occupation: Clock-maker

Baptism: 10 Jun 1830 St Peter, Liverpool,
Henrietta Litherland - [Child] of Richard Litherland & Frances

Baptism: 22 Oct 1833 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
 Hannah Litherland - [Child] of Richard Litherland & Frances

Then in 1837  I have Richard Orlando Litherland , son of Richard and Mary Anne.
Abode Gt Crosshall  Street Occupation: Clock-maker.
Before this c 1836 is a daughter born in Shropshire to the same couple. 

I have the marriage of Richard ( bc 1807)  to Mary Ann in 1835 and there is no mention of him being a widower even though she is “spinster” ,   Was Richard the same man,  the address is the same in the last 4 baptisms. 

I can`t find any of the children born to Frances in the census or even burials , they are not with Richard and Mary Ann.   I can`t find a death or even a marriage for Frances and Richard.

Can anyone help with this please.

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Re: FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 September 17 19:52 BST (UK) »
An on line tree on Ancestry has all the children dying young

John Rice 1829 - 1834
Henriette 1830 - 1831
Richard Archimedes 1832 - 1834
Hannah 1833 - 1835.
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Re: FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 September 17 20:35 BST (UK) »
Lancashire Parish Records on line

Richard Litherland and Frances  father Clockmaker all baptism at St Peter Liverpool

John Richard bap 1 January 1827 of May Street -- buried 13 July 1828 age 18 months  St Nicholas

John Rice bap 3 May 1829 Great Crosshall Street -- buried 7 September 1834 age 6 of fever, of Great Crosshall Street at Low Hill Cemetery

Henrietta bap 10 June 1830 Gt Crosshall Street -- buried 24 August 1831 age 15 months reason decline, of Trowbridge Street, same parents

Hannah bap 22 October 1833-- buried 29 December 1835 age 2 measles of Hodson Street.

Richard and Mary nee Astley/Ashley also Clockmaker

Adeline Belinda bap 27 September 1836 St Vincent Street East, she married John Smith 2 August 1858.

Richard Orlando bap 17 July 1838 Great Crosshall Street married Margaret Beattie 26 Nov. 1860

Note: There is an Archimedes Litherland 21 who married Kate Akitt age23 on1 January 1865 at St George Everton, father Richard Litherland Clockmaker

As you say the marriage does not say he is a widow, however it is possible it's the same man. Need to find a burial for Frances. I'm guessing that Great Crosshall Street was his work place and the addresses when the children died are his home.

His son Richard also becomes a clockmaker and Litherland/Leatherland surname is quite common although unusual.


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Re: FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 September 17 21:06 BST (UK) »
New GRO index

Richard Letherland registered 1837 Liverpool- mothers maiden name Ashley
Horace Byron Litherland reg. 1841 West Derby mmn Ashley
Archimedes Socrates Cicero Litherland reg. 1844 Liverpool mmn Ashley
Julian Coterbins Demosthenes Litherland reg. 1846 Liverpool mmn Ashley
Nathan Bruonfield Litherland reg. 1848 Liverpool mmn Ashley

Adeline Belinda born before civil registration began.

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Re: FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 September 17 22:53 BST (UK) »
Archimedes Socrates Cicero Litherland
Julian Coterbins Demosthenes Litherland

Poor children being given those names!
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Re: FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 10 September 17 05:40 BST (UK) »
A family tree on ancestry has Archimedes emigrating to Australia.

The youngest of the first four children Hannah dies 11 months, December 1835  after his possible second marriage January 1835, either Frances died in childbirth September-October 1833 or before 28 January 1835.

Clock making seems to be the family trade and with several families naming sons Richard it could be another generation. Have you tried trade directories for the area or did any leave wills probated locally?

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Re: FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 10 September 17 06:09 BST (UK) »
1829 Directory of Liverpool

Litherland, Ann watch maker  81 Brownlow Hill
Litherland, Davies & Co. watchmaker  70 Church Street
Litherland, Nathan  merchant  5 Wolstenholme Square
Litherland, Peter Bromfield  wine and porter merchant 4 Chapel Place, Moira Street
Litherland, Richard Clock & watchmaker   71 Great Crosshall Street.

I would say Richard who married 1835 is related to Nathan and Peter because he names a child Nathan Bromfield Litherland

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Re: FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 10 September 17 06:12 BST (UK) »
1822 Directory of Liverpool

Richard Litherland  watch and clockmaker  62 Brownlow Street

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Re: FRANCES LITHERLAND.
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 10 September 17 09:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you all so much, I had thought about children dying, but couldn`t find them.  There is a lot to check out there.

Richard himself is  a problem, an online tree  and Lancs OPC has his parents as John Litherland and Eleanor Picton, but John is a and glazier. This doesn`t seem to fit but I can`t find another baptism.  ???
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