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Re: Same couple married twice?
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 10 September 17 13:09 BST (UK) »
It's so confusing?! ;D

St Nicholas was the Parish Church of Liverpool - so hardly a Chapel of Ease?

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The chapel was used as the main centre of worship until 1355. A new chapel dedicated to St Mary and St Nicholas was built on land granted to the burgesses by the Duke of Lancaster. It was under construction for more than a century.
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Re: Same couple married twice?
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 10 September 17 18:13 BST (UK) »

They were married at Our Lady and St Nicholas with St Anne, Chapel Street
1659 - 1961.

This marriage is on the Lancashire OPC site.

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Re: Same couple married twice?
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 10 September 17 21:22 BST (UK) »
The original Parish Church of Liverpool was St. Mary's at Walton on the Hill.
Around 1700, St. Peter's in the city centre was built on order to be a parish in its own right.
Eventually, St. Peter's (on Church Street) was demolished, and St. Nicholas / "Our Lady and St. Nicholas with St. Anne" (on Chapel Street) became Liverpool's Parish Church. The current building is a reconstruction of the building which was destroyed in the blitz.
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Re: Same couple married twice?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 11 September 17 09:58 BST (UK) »
There is no one called John Smith N?tt in the clergy database http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp so it could be they found that the  first marriage was invalid and they had to get married again.

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Re: Same couple married twice?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 12 September 17 00:30 BST (UK) »
The clergyman at the first marriage is "John Smith M.A., minister".  With the talk of CofE vs non conformist, I'm a bit surprised to see the description "minister" for an Anglican cleric, whereas the second "curate" is quite normal.  So could the first wedding be in a independent church which perhaps copied the CofE register template, even though their marriage wasn't lawful?
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Re: Same couple married twice?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 12 September 17 07:38 BST (UK) »

From the Lancashire OPC site:
"The church of St. James', Toxteth Park was opened for Divine service on 4th June 1775, although the church was not consecrated until the following month. The church was not assigned a Parish until 1844 ..."
Perhaps this is why there was a church/chapel difference.

I've checked the other marriages on the same page, and none of them married again, though.

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« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 12 September 17 09:00 BST (UK) »
It would be interesting to know if this John Smith carried out any other weddings.

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Re: Same couple married twice?
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 12 September 17 14:08 BST (UK) »
There is a death notice in the Lancaster Gazette on 13 January 1827 for Rev John Smith MA Minister of St James (at his fathers house), and another on 31 October 1818 for Elizabeth, wife of Rev John Smith, Minister of St James's, Liverpool.

Also in 1803 the marriage at Chester of the Rev. John Smith, B. A. Minister of St. James's, Liverpool, and in 1836 the marriage of Mary, youngest daughter of the Rev. John Smith, M. A., Minister of St. James's, Toxteth Park.

Looks to me as though the Rev. Smith was legitimate.
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« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 12 September 17 16:53 BST (UK) »
It looks as though there were two Rev. John Smiths, father and son.
John Smith BA, was licensed as a curate at Toxteth, St. James Chapel, on 6th May 1803. John Smith MA was licensed to  the Perpetual Curacy of  Toxteth Park St James, on 6th June 1833, on the secession of the late incumbent the Rev. Thomas Henry Heathcote.
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