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Re: bastard settlement cases in northamptonshire
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 06 January 18 10:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi jkgla,
I cant help with a Bastardy Order but may have dound the culprit!

I presume that Ruth never married and appears on 1841/1851 Census?

1841 in Silverstone we have;
William Adler, 25
Elizabeth Adler, 40
Celina Adler, 15
Ruth Whitlock, 55

2 doors away is;
William LINNELL, age 50, Publican, Wife Hannah and several children.
Anc has them as LINNCH

Ruth also christened a WILLIAM Whitlock 23 July 1815 Whittlebury (F/S.Org)

William in 1851;
William Limmer, 59
Hannah Limmer, 59
Mary Ann Limmer, 34
Martha Limmer, 26
James Adam Limmer, 23
Lucretia Wert Limmer, 7

1861 Census
William Linnell, 69 (born 1792 Silverstone)
Hannah Linnell, 69
Thomas Linnell, 41
Lucrcia Linnell, 17
W D Wrighton Linnell, 10

Marriage;
6 March 1817, Whittlebury, Northampton
William LINNELL to Hannah LINNELL

Trish :)

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Re: bastard settlement cases in northamptonshire
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 06 January 18 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Ah - you have confirmed my suspicions, and I am fascinated by your lateral thinking re the census returns :)
I actually discovered this link through DNA testing!  I am descended from the Whittlebury Linnells via William's father, another William, who married Elizabeth Elliot of Luffield Abbey in 1790.  I have several Whitlock DNA matches, but no known Whitlock ancestry, and Ruth Whitlock having an 'out-of-wedlock' child with William Linnell (of whom there were several possible candidates..) seemed the most likely situation. Whittlebury Parish Registers have:
"Rebecca daughter of Ruth Whitlock, baseborn, born 21 Sep 1811, bapt Oct 20 1811" 
Rebecca married a William Braggins, and after he died, she joined her eldest son in emigrating to the USA.  Her Pennsylvania death cert gives her father as William Linnell, so her paternity was clearly widely known within the family.
Rebecca was born before William married Hannah Adams (who was his cousin, John Linnell's widow)
I wonder who the father of her second child was?!

Many thanks for this clever sleuthing.

Joan


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Re: bastard settlement cases in northamptonshire
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 06 January 18 14:08 GMT (UK) »
Hi Joan, sorry I am a bit confused here.

So you are descended from William Linell Snr, William Linnell 1791's Father?

Not through Rebecca, Daug of Ruth Whitlock?

I may be missing something here but I dont understand how you could have Whitlock DNA matches then.

Trish

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Re: bastard settlement cases in northamptonshire
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 06 January 18 14:53 GMT (UK) »
Trish - No, through Rebecca's family, not Rebecca herself. Rebecca married William Braggins (Silverstone 1833) and the DNA matches are with her descendants.
The only Whitlock is actually Rebecca, the DNA matches are with Braggins - mea culpa for being confusing. I spent a lot of time chasing Whitlock trees during my hunt...
Unless I am quite wrong (not impossible) DNA from Wm Linnell snr (my G3 grandfather) could pass via his son, William jnr to his grandchildren (including Rebecca's children, assuming that she is his daughter) - so there is a direct line from William Linnell snr (1791) (+ Elizabeth Elliot) -> his son, William Linnell jnr (1767)(+Ruth Whitlock) -> his granddaughter, Rebecca Whitlock (1811) (+ William Braggins) -> greatgrandchildren eg Rebecca's son William Marshall Braggins (1845) and his heirs

If this is wrong, then please correct me!

All good wishes,  Joan