John Thomas Heywood

[lanei]

Would appreciate any help  i'm trying to get more information on a
John Thomas Heywood  born abt 1870 Sandbach Cheshire.
I have him in 1881 living with parents John & Emma in Sandbach.

I have found a birth which could be his 1871 Northwich.
Now the confusing bit is i have found a baptism for John Thomas July 30th 1871
 but his mother is a Harriett Heywood  (servant) Sandbach.

Now he does have a sister Harriett (abt 1849)  I have come across a Harriett Heywood in 1871
living in Congleton as  a servant.

So i'm thinking she gave him up to her parents ,or could this be two different John Thomas's.

Thank you.

[rosie99]

The John Thomas with John & Emma in 1881 was age 9 bn Sandbach
RG11/ 3538 f8 p10

I suspect that they may be his grandparents as in 1861 RG9 /2614 f81 p28 they have a daughter Harriet (age 11)

Births were not always registered at this time
Congleton RD would cover a birth in Sandbach
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/congleton.html

[cath151]

None of the following is of any help really but..
Using the GRO new indices with mmn there is ..
John Thomas born Northwich JAS Q mmn Deakin
Seeing there is a relative with the Bayley surname on the 1881
John Thomas Bayley  Mar 1871 Congleton mmn Phillips

Cathy

[lanei]

    Thank You
Well i was thinking Harriett  was his mother,
 think i just needed someone else's opinion,

I've been trying to find Harriet and John in later census  but not found anything yet,
Could i be very  cheeky and ask for abit more help please.
     Thanks again

[Ladyhawk]

I was just taking a look at Harriet and was wondering if this might be her....

Did Harriet have two other children after John Thomas?

1881 census RG11; Piece: 3477; Folio: 148; Page: 57
Thomas Tholley age 39 Sandbach, shoemaker Head
Harriet Haywood 32 Sandbach, Cheshire wife
Polly Haywood 8 dau
George Haywood 10 mths son

On the 1891c RG12; Piece: 2798; Folio: 108; Page: 5
all have surname THORLEY  3 more children
Thomas 55, Harriett 45
Mary (Polly) 17, George 10, John Thomas 5, Frank 2 & Joseph 1

HEYWOOD, GEORGE       -  (blank)   
1881  J Quarter in STOCKPORT  Volume 08A  Page 59   

THORLEY, JOHN  THOMAS mmn      HAYWOOD    
1885  S Quarter in STOCKPORT  Volume 08A  Page 62   

THORLEY, JOSEPH   mmn   HAYWOOD    
1889  D Quarter in STOCKPORT  Volume 08A  Page 52   

I haven't found a marriage yet for Thomas to Harriet   

[lanei]

No that's my other Harriet (booth) my great grand mother, she married Harriet Heywood brother Thomas
I know very confusing'
She then left him and later married Thomas Thorley in Stockport.

[Ladyhawk]

Not sure about these marriages - have a look and see what you think

I see from the 1851/61 census her father is named John Heywood his occ. ag. labourer

19 Nov 1876 All Saints Newton Heath Manchester
Charles Egerton age 29 joiner father George, sexton
Harriet Heywood 24 father John occ Labourer
Both single, he signed, Harriet made her mark (x) as did witnesses
Henry Highlam Diggles & Mary Ann Smith

She marrys the witness to her first wedding

30 Jun 1879 Chorlton cum Hardy, St Clement, Lancashire, England
Harriet Egerton widow age 25 occ Servant father John Heywood occ labourer
Henry Higham Diggles 26 father John
Harriet made her mark, as did Henry (x)
witnessed by Joseph & Sarah Martin

1881/1911c gives Harriet Diggles pob Sandbach Cheshire
1881 RG11; Piece: 3537; Folio: 24; Page: 3
but
1901 & 1891 her pob dittoed as Lancashire
1891  RG12; Piece: 3256; Folio: 68; Page: 24;
Daughter Emma & Robert born in Sandbach
1901 RG13; Piece: 3765; Folio: 114; Page: 20

DIGGLES, EMMA    mnn   HAYWOOD     
1882  D Quarter in CONGLETON  Volume 08A  Page 308

DIGGLES, ROBERT  mmn EGERTON      
1881  J Quarter in CONGLETON  Volume 08A  Page 327

ADDED - possible death

Harriet Diggles  age 78 (1851)
Dec 1929 Congleton Cheshire Volume:   8a Page:   340

[lanei]

Thank you Ladyhawk
  I'm not to sure but Its worth  looking into.

[Ladyhawk]

I'm not to sure but Its worth  looking into.

It's possible that Harriet Haywood/Egerton/Diggles may have named her daughter Emma after her mother Emma 

Other than my previous post for the other Harriet Haywood (Booth) that married her brother Thomas I haven't come across another born Sandbach Cheshire c1851 

Still looking to see if I can find John Thomas Heywood born Sandbach Cheshire c1872
after the 1881 census but have had no luck  yet