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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #9 on: Friday 15 September 17 22:28 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much everyone
You'd be surprised how many Nimrod Gardener.s there were

So yes I have seen his father James marriage to Charlotte Malsmbury with his father Nimrod as a labourer

our Nimrod was named after his grandfather and had at least one cousin and two nephews called Nimrod
 his own son Nimrod died young .

But his own marriage is proving  very hard to find
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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #10 on: Friday 15 September 17 22:40 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much everyone

Yes those Mary Browns are all feasible ...I wonder how many possibilities there are
I havent looked for Mary in 1841 as I didn't have a surname ...will do that now


He appears on search of James Gardner's marriage to Charlotte Malsmbury
Our Nimrod has at least one cousin and a nephew with same name and his 3 rd son who died young  was named after himself .

I think of that as the Scottish naming system so second son s name may well be a clue to the Scottish grandfather.s name

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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #11 on: Friday 15 September 17 23:22 BST (UK) »
   Mary doesn't have a middle name in any of the censuses
 her death should be  between 1901 and 1911
And I would expect it to be in. Birkenhead


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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 16 September 17 04:13 BST (UK) »
Just had a thought, Kirkpatrick Juxta is not that far from Gretna Green could Nimrod and Mary have married there? I think Gretna records are An****ry but I have'nt got subscription.

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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 16 September 17 16:20 BST (UK) »
Mary Brown baptised 01 Aug 1830. Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries, Scotland.
parents George Brown & Sarah Craig

Yes those Mary Browns are all feasible ...I wonder how many possibilities there are

I havent looked for Mary in 1841 as I didn't have a surname ...will do that now


There are these 1841c entries

Parish:  Moffat
County:Dumfriesshire
West Church Street
Sarah CRAIG   40
Mary BROWN   10
George MARCHBANK   43

Mary BROWN Age: 12 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Civil Parish:   Kirkpatrick Juxta
County:   Dumfriesshire
Address:   Coats Yet
Occupation:   Ag Lab
Parish Number:   838
No other persons surname Brown
Head Nathaniel MURRAY

Just had a thought, Kirkpatrick Juxta is not that far from Gretna Green could Nimrod and Mary have married there?

I think Gretna records are An****ry but I have'nt got subscription.

I couldn't find a marriage in Gretna Green for them

If the marriage took place I would assume we are looking after 1841 census when Nimrod was in Northampton and the birth of their dau Sarah born 1850 Frodsham in Cheshire (Sept qtr.)

Lots of Mary Brown's marrying 1846 - 1851 Cheshire BMD but no one named Nimrod  ???

I could only find the Sept. 1842 marriage entry in Daventry (Northamptonshire) between 1841-1850  ???
Nimrod Gardner
To either
Hannah Dobbs
Ann Hollis
Letitia Waite
Other males
William Reynold
William Walton



Nimrod age 20 cordwainer on his own in 1841 living Rushton Northampton
might be worth looking to see if there’s a Mary Brown anywhere close by

then by 1851 he’s with his wife Mary born c 1830 Scotland (pob Moffat 1881) and child
Sarah 6mths born Frodsham Cheshire c1850 living registration district of Runcorn

Was Mary living in Scotland, Northampton or Cheshire 1841?
There is a Mary Brown age 12 living in Runcorn but her pob is indicated by ‘Y’ she is with
Samuel Brown & Margaret? and 5 older siblings




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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 16 September 17 18:28 BST (UK) »
Maybe he had a first wife ...

There are quite a few mary.Brown  born in Scotland in various places  in England in 1941

I liked the pupil in Birkenhead school ..not of this parish

Or the one living with a 60 year old washerwoman  * Ann Parry who could be a grandmother
* at Christleton Cheshire

And there was one with her family . Father Andrew Brown ..mother .and 6'siblings in Northumberland

I've put the first few in my shoebox facility on ancestry so I can look again
As you can see I can't carry too many names and places in my head  .


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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 16 September 17 20:04 BST (UK) »
Ladyhawke I'm sorry I don't think I answered your question about the children's names

The first Sarah died young so Sarah Ann may have been named after her or nimrods own sister who died young

possibility that Mary.s mother's name was    Sarah  or Caroline


Mary Brown mother  could be a Sarah  or Caroline Parry if the washerwoman inn1841 was her grandmother

And yes your list of 11 children  was correct though I think there may have been an earlier James who died in infancy
Nimrod named after himself and his grandfather James after his father so ....

 Names for Mary's father ( if she had one ) could be John. George .or Richard

Thanks for attempt ing this challenge
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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 16 September 17 20:40 BST (UK) »
I didn't answer the question about Getna Greene either
I tried looking at Scottish records..no luck

If Nimrod is mistranscribed as William there are hundreds of possibilities !

I found one in1951  Gloucester with the right birth years for a Mary Smith and William Gardner got interested before I realised how many more there were .

I.ll keep in mind the name Sarah Crieg and Mary Brown from your Dumfries records just in case the name crops up again .

Ps you mentioned a marriage of Nimrod with a possible name of Ann Hollis that may be worth looking into as the Samuel Hollis /Hallis family adopted my grandma nimrod.s granddaughter in 1900
and was a similar age to Nimrod and lived nearby in Birkenhead


 
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Re: Help find Nimrod Gardeners marriage please .
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 17 September 17 14:35 BST (UK) »
I'm not sure that all the records of pre-registration Scottish marriages have survived - my gg grandfather was married about 1848 - 1849-ish, and we've never found his marriage despite years of searching for it.   :(

He was from Cramlington in Northumberland, and she was living in Berwick having been brought up in Eyemouth. Family tradition has it they were married in Eyemouth, but there's no sign of them in the parish registers, or in the United Secession church. Or anywhere else!
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