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Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« on: Saturday 16 September 17 10:03 BST (UK) »
The above was the son of Edward Moss and Helen nee Honnor. In trying to trace him and his descendants if any, I've come across 2 trees that say he was Ronald Grant Moss Mason but don't say how he got all these 'new' names? I think the other tree owners are mixing him up with another different family-what do you think?
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Re: Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 16 September 17 11:49 BST (UK) »
Hello...

Do you know when your Ronald died.

There is the following BDM record:

BDM NZ
1970/39563 - MOSS-MASON, Ronald Grant - 75 years


According to the Burial Locator CD he is buried at Mangere Cemetery (Fiche B04.22)

The following is most likely his probate file...

MOSS-MASON Ronald - Auckland - Salesman - 1970
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13101510

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Do you know if your Ronald was married.

As there is a Margaret Elizabeth MOSS-MASON also buried at Mangere it's possible that she is the following from the NZSG Marriages CD...

1918/3768 - Ronald MOSS-MASON to Margaret Elizabeth MCDONALD

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Do you know if your Ronald had a son called Ronald John as there is a Ronald John MOSS-MASON also buried at Mangere. By his date of birth I'm assuming he is the first-born of the above couple.

BDM NZ Deaths
1973/45120 - MOSS-MASON, Ronald John - d.o.b 14 April 1919


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Quote from: Cockneyrebel
The above was the son of Edward Moss

PapersPast mentions an Edward MOSS-MASON who died in 1913
http://tinyurl.com/y9gfdojf

Possible cemetery record (might work - might not)
http://property.hauraki-dc.govt.nz/cemetery/surname.asp?pt_serial=4134

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Beg

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Re: Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 16 September 17 11:59 BST (UK) »
Ok, so can confirm a NZ BDM records for:
1893/17582   Moss   Ronald   Helen   Edward

There are no births from 1890 - 1900 for a Ronald Mason nor any Moss-Mason.



Going backward....

These are the children for Edward and Helen
1881/7542   Moss   Christina Edith   
1883/3178   Moss   Emily
1885/2390   Moss   Henry Thomas
1887/17401   Moss   George Edward   
1891/14540   Moss   Edith   
1893/17582   Moss   Ronald   
1897/6114   Moss   Adelaide

Therefore prior Edward and Helen's marriage
1880/2551   Helen   Honnor   Edward   Moss

And possible deaths
1946/33776   Moss   Helen   86

1913/3191   Moss   Edward   63Y   OR
1900/6594   Moss   Edward   59Y

Showing neither parent, should these be they, had hyphenated names.


Back to Ronald.

NZ Electoral rolls do show one entry for a "Ronald Moss", and the "Ronald Grant Moss-Mason" fellow
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kq9/
Someone with a subscription might be able to confirm if this "Ronald Moss" is the same as the "Ronald A Moss" that also seemed to live in the Mt Roskill area, and therefore not your man.


Might an Intention to Marry show something?
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Re: Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 16 September 17 12:05 BST (UK) »
The death entry on the NZ BDM for
Moss Edward is dated 6/6/1913
which concurs with the article Beg found for Moss-Mason.
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Re: Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 16 September 17 12:08 BST (UK) »
Strangely there is also this probate entry in the NZ Archives
MOSS-MASON Clyde Edward aka MOSS Clyde Edward - Auckland - Newspaper Employee 1981


and the entry in BDM
1981/43246   Moss   Clyde   28 February 1921
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Re: Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 16 September 17 12:44 BST (UK) »
The 1970 burial record (Mangere Cemetery) for Ronald Grant MOSS-MASON (aged 75 years) confirms his birthplace as Blenheim.

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Re: Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 16 September 17 12:49 BST (UK) »
... included in the same Mangere Cemetery burial listing  >

Margaret Elizabeth MOSS-MASON - d. October 1972
Ronald John Moss-MASON - 54 yrs - d. November 1973

Both recorded as having been born in Auckland.

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Re: Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 September 17 20:12 BST (UK) »
These are the deaths for Moss-Masons in the NZ BDM

2016/31952   Moss-Mason   Beverley Broxton   28 January 1935
2009/3486   Ward   Cynthia Beatrice   28 March 1929
2001/15492   Moss-Mason   Elsie Mavis   9 October 1914
1972/47180   Moss-Mason   Margaret Elizabeth   28 September 1898
1990/39586   Moss-Mason   Raymond Neville   27 November 1931
1970/39563   Moss-Mason   Ronald Grant   75Y
1973/45120   Moss-Mason   Ronald John   14 April 1919
1988/37952   Moss-Mason   Trevor Donald   28 August 1922

None of Edward and Helen's (other) children have 'used' this name at their death.
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Re: Ronald Moss b1893 Blenheim
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 16 September 17 21:15 BST (UK) »
I would be looking into that probate, because one would assume that there would need to be proof of a name change in the file, if that were the case, in order for it to be executed.


It does continue to seem odd that Ronald's dad, Edward was on the official government website as MOSS but the In Memoriam was for MOSS-MASON three years later. 

Anecdotally the surnames might match up, but where is the legal/physical evidence?


FTR there don't appear to be any records on Cenotaph (Auckland Museum War memorial) for any of Helen and Edward's sons.
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