Author Topic: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?  (Read 1330 times)

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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #9 on: Monday 18 September 17 18:46 BST (UK) »
Odd one,but doesn't that look like them in 1861 living in Newington as Joseph and Jane RAYNER ?GAYNER on A*try.
337124/41

It does seem to say Gayner!
Joseph Gaymer + Jane Oliver, 20 June 1860, St Mary Newington
They had a daughter Sarah Jane, registered Newington, March qtr 1862
There's a baptism of Joseph Gaymer at Bradfield, 17 Feb 1836

Yes! Daughter Jessie Maria is listed as GARNER on FreeBMD births.
There's an entry in All London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930 results(A*try) for Jessie Maria GARNER with mother Jane. The name Ribbans has been struck through and replaced with GAMER or GARNER.


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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #10 on: Monday 18 September 17 19:04 BST (UK) »
I think Ribbans is his stepfather's name which he uses, but was born a Gaymer

bradfield 1841

Joseph Gaymon    65
Issabella Gaymer    35
Sarah Thompson    19
Mary Ann Thompson    16
Joseph Gaymer    5

HO107,  338, 4, 3


1851 Bradfield

Robert Ribbans    40
Isabella Ribbans    49
Joseph Ribbans    14
Charity Ribbans    12
Elijah Ribbans    11
Isabella Ribbans    7

HO107, 1783, 420, 5

Can't find a marriage for Robert & Isabella yet

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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #11 on: Monday 18 September 17 19:11 BST (UK) »
Yes! Daughter Jessie Maria is listed as GARNER on FreeBMD births.
There's an entry in All London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1659-1930 results(A*try) for Jessie Maria GARNER with mother Jane. The name Ribbans has been struck through and replaced with GAMER or GARNER.

Brilliant find, Maureen!

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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 18 September 17 19:29 BST (UK) »
Joseph Gaymer bach married Isabella Thompson widow at Bradfield on 5 oct 1830 wit John Taylor and Eliza Winney.
Perhaps she was also called Lucy
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 18 September 17 19:42 BST (UK) »
 :) :)

Thanks for taking it one step further,John!

As for the children of Robert and Isabella,I think maybe the 7 year old Isabella was born as GAYMER as well.
GAYMER, ISABELLA       mmn  HOWLETT     
GRO Reference: 1843  J Quarter in TENDRING  Volume 12  Page 265

Charity and Elijah seem to be registered as RIVENS:
RIVEIRS, ELIJAH        mmn BARBER     
GRO Reference: 1840  M Quarter in TENDRING  Volume 12  Page 265

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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 18 September 17 19:53 BST (UK) »
from 1841 charity & Elijah appear to be Robert's children with wife Sarah. [listed as Rivens]

Sarah is 20 on 1841 - a Sarah Rivens aged 22 dies Q1 1842

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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 18 September 17 19:54 BST (UK) »
burial Joseph Gaymer age 81 Bradfield in 1855. did Isabella leave her much older husband for Robert Ribbans between 1841 and 1851?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #16 on: Monday 18 September 17 19:54 BST (UK) »
Joseph Gaymer bach married Isabella Thompson widow at Bradfield on 5 oct 1830 wit John Taylor and Eliza Winney.
Perhaps she was also called Lucy

That looks good! An Isabella HOWLETT married William THOMPSON 1820 Bradfield.

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Re: Joseph Ribbans & Jane ?? both bapt. 1837approx 1837 Essex - where are they?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 18 September 17 21:52 BST (UK) »
Thank you all very kindly for your help.

I have managed to find them in the 1891 census on F/Search. Like you all I always thought Bromley was in Kent but as  you now know there is a Little & Great Bromley in Essex so it seems plausible for them to have met there.

This Joseph did have a brother Elijah - married Ellen Berry in Rotherhithe in 1859 and they had a son David born about 1863
He also had a sister Charity Lucy "Rivens" born Tendring Dist 1838
All were the children of Robert Ribbans and his first wife Sarah (nee Barber) who died in 1842.

Robert then "teamed" up with an Isabella (nee Howlett, Thompson, Gaymer) and no marriage has been found todate.
In 1844 there is a birth for an Isabella Ribbans in Manningtree Dist. 1844.believed to be a d/o Robert & Isabella.

The 1861 census for a Joseph & Jane Gaymer etc does seem to make sense as Isabella was a "Gaymer" previously.

This is getting interesting and confusing. Isabella Howlett mar. Wm.Thompson 24-10-1820 (died 1828 Bradfield) she then  married a Joseph Gaymer in Bradfield, Essex on 5-10-1830 who was buried 1856  Bradfield. They had a Joseph Gaymer born about 1831 but he died 1834 - no other details.

A lot of what I have said above is a repeat mostly of your kind searches. It appears then that Joseph went under his "step-mother's" name of Gaymer.

So where are they from 1891 onwards?

I will have to look again to see if there is more info around.

Thank you all for your valuable help.

Alan
Browse, Peggs, Revans/Revance/Ribbans, Spall,   in Suffolk/Norfolk
Belcher, Elderfield, Froude, Saunders,  Stimson, Tame,   in Berks
Artis, Gray in Norfolk