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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 23 September 17 23:25 BST (UK) »
Looking at all that(it's late!!) could it be that the 2 Penders married to the Jordans were not in fact brothers but maybe cousins?
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Brennan Keeffe(Carlow)
O'Neill, O'Connor, Burbridge, Casey (Dublin)

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #10 on: Monday 25 September 17 10:42 BST (UK) »
Looking at all that(it's late!!) could it be that the 2 Penders married to the Jordans were not in fact brothers but maybe cousins?

They could only be distant cousins if both had a father named Michael
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #11 on: Monday 25 September 17 13:09 BST (UK) »
Looking at all that(it's late!!) could it be that the 2 Penders married to the Jordan's were not in fact brothers but maybe cousins?

They could only be distant cousins if both had a father named Michael

That's true alright.Must have been too late for me including rehashing all the info from a previous post which I only happened to see after posting!!!!!!

Looking at the addresses given on the marriage returns both men were from the same area of Carlow ie Rossmore (Michael and Alica Byrne) and Springhill(Michael and Mary Anne Laffan).Those townlands would be very close , if not actually adjoining.
Presume the Michael married to Anne Byrne moved to Cloghna after marrying as he is there in 1901 census and their eldest child (born in 1894)is registered as being born in Cloghna.

Any of the likely looking Penders on Griffith's Valuation seem to be in the general Tolerton/Ballickmoyler area in Laois(Queens County) civil parish of Kilabbin.This would be very close to Rossmore/Springfield ie the addresses on the marriage returns from c.50 years later.
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Brennan Keeffe(Carlow)
O'Neill, O'Connor, Burbridge, Casey (Dublin)

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #12 on: Monday 25 September 17 13:28 BST (UK) »
Knowing why it is believed why Thomas PENDER who married Bridget JORDAN was the brother of James PENDER who married Mary JORDAN would be step one. If there is some documented proof of this then it is brothers being searched for.

Then next having documented proof that James' PENDER's mother was named LAFFAN would imply there was a Thomas in that family that was missed although unlikely unless Mary Ann PENDER nee LAFFAN had a child after 1911 and a ten year gap. It is not unheard of...

If there are assumptions in the original details then the possibilities are many as there are several families of PENDER in the area
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Birth of Thomas PENDER around 1912 sought
« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 August 18 21:06 BST (UK) »
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Pender of Rossmore, Laois and Pendergast of Coolnakisha, Carlow.