Census & Baptism Records Needed - Evans/Davies

[DavidJP]

Hi all,

I am helping a friend with their family history & am having a little bother in pinning certain people down on censuses. Certain parish records are also proving difficult to find.

My friends grandfather Thomas Evans (1882-1940) married in 1903 to Catherine Elizabeth Llewellyn (1886-1940). His parents were John Evans (1832/36-1906) & Letitia/Lettice Davies/David (1840/43-1913). John & Letitia married in 1879.

I have both John & Letitia on censuses after 1879, prior to this though I am struggling. John generally gives Lampeter/Lampeter Velfry, Pembrokeshire as a place of birth & Letitia gives Llanycefn, Pembrokeshire as her place of birth (although she does say Monclochog, Pembrokeshire) in 1881.

I have Letitia in 1861 as Lettice David age 20 & a Dairy Maid (RG9/4147/105/11), but cannot find her in 1841,51 or 71. Neither can I find a baptism for her. Ages on censuses give birth years as about 1840-43.

John, I have in 1841 (HO107/1448/10/22/7) aged 9 with parents William & Mary Evans in Lampeter Velfry. I am unable to locate him in 1851,61 & 71. Also not been able to find a baptism for him either. John was a Road Labourer or Labourer by trade on the later censuses. Ages on censuses indicate birth years of about 1832-36.

There is a possibility that John may have been married before as in 1881 (RG11/5404/75/11) he is with wife Letitia, a daughter Sophia aged 13 months & another daughter Mary A aged 10. Who was the first wife & when did she die?

Many thanks in advance.

Kind regards

David

[KGarrad]

Quoting from GenUKI (re Pembrokeshire):

A large number - well over 50% by the mid-nineteenth century - of people in Pembrokeshire attended Nonconformist chapels, rather than the established church. Thus, except for marriages which prior to 1837 had to take place in the parish church, references to them are more likely to be found in nonconformist than in parish church records. Many of these have been deposited at the PRO (and filmed by the LDS), others are still to be found with the chapels or other libraries or archives.

PRO = Pembrokeshire Record Office

[rosie99]

His parents were John Evans (1832/36-1906) & Letitia/Lettice Davies/David (1840/43-1913). John & Letitia married in 1879.

I have Letitia in 1861 as Lettice David age 20 & a Dairy Maid (RG9/4147/105/11), but cannot find her in 1841,51 or 71. Neither can I find a baptism for her. Ages on censuses give birth years as about 1840-43.

What information does Lett*/ John wedding certificate give regarding their fathers and who were the witnesses - where did the marriage take place

[DavidJP]

Hi KGarrad & rosie99,

Many thanks for your replies, very much appreciated.

KGarrard, Many thanks for that, much appreciated. I was unaware of that & will now start checking Non Conformist records.

rosie99, I don't know as the marriage date (year) came from FreeBMD & my friend does not have the certificate. I don't know where the marriage took place either as I haven't been able to find it on familysearch, FreeReg etc at all.

My thanks again.

Kind regards

David

[Mabel Bagshawe]

1851 has a Lettice David b Llanycefn c1839 lodging with the Foley family at Ffynnon Fawr, Llanycefn. Her occupation is "pauper"

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Interestinlgy 1841 has a number of "households" at Ffynon Fawr

Phebe Rositer    75 - independent
Anne Rositer    25 - independent
Phebe Rositer    4
John Rositer    2
James Rositer    1


John Rositer    75 - ag lab
Sophia Rositer    25

Elizabeth Davies    15
Lettice Lloyd    8 Mo

this is the only Lettice the right age in Llanycefn

[despair]

...and the Sophia Foley she is with in 1851 is probably nee Rositer.

Regards
Roger

[DavidJP]

Hi Mabel Bagshawe & Roger,

Many thanks for your replies, very much appreciated.

Mabel Bagshawe, many thanks for 1841 & 1851 census info, much appreciated.

Roger, many thanks for detail re Sophia Foley, much appreciated.

Interestingly enough, as I mentioned on my OP, Letitia/Lettice named a daughter Sophia b1880 later in life.

My thanks again.

Kind regards

David

[Cas (stallc)]

1871 for Lettice, original reads pob Llanycefn (spelling varient on census)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55S-RKQ

Cas