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Offline minniehaha

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MARRIAGE-California.......
« on: Saturday 23 September 17 02:56 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I am new to USA research and have no idea as to what is available. (I am not a subscriber to Ancestry or similar.)

I am looking for the marriage of two people from New Zealand which supposedly took place in either San Francisco or Sacramento between 1913 & 1916.

Elizabeth Clark(e) DOBBIE  and Clement Charles FISH (or Charles Clement FISH).

Any help in tracking this down would be much appreciated.

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: MARRIAGE-California.......
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 23 September 17 19:18 BST (UK) »
I couldn't help but take a peek at the newspapers (as I live in California).   ;)

Erato recommended two great sites.  Found on the sfgenealogy site is the marriage license announcement for Charles and Elizabeth:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01krs/
Sacramento Union, May 17, 1913
They apparently were "both of Sacramento".

There may be additional articles about either or both individuals.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: MARRIAGE-California.......
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 23 September 17 19:26 BST (UK) »
Possibly just a coincidence (since the initial is incorrect), but

Immigrant Passenger List
Sailing on board the Willochra from San Francisco, California to Sydney, NSW, arriving 21 July 1914
(Mr.) Chas Fish
(Mrs.) M(?) Fish
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: MARRIAGE-California.......
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 23 September 17 19:43 BST (UK) »
You may already have this?

California Passenger and Crew List
Sailing on board the R M S Tahiti, sailing from Wellington, New Zealand, arriving San Francisco, California on 15 May, 1913

Elizabeth Dobbie, age 36, Single, race: Scotch, born Dunedin, NZ.  5'7".  Fr complexion, brown hair, blue eyes

Charles Fish, age 53, Single, [cannot read occupation], race: English, born Kent, England.  5'9".  Fr complexion, brown hair, blue eyes

For both - last permanent residence was Wellington, NZ.  Final destination: San Francisco, California.  Whether going to relative or friend: friend, Harry Miers?, Sacramento.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: MARRIAGE-California.......
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 23 September 17 19:50 BST (UK) »
I did not see Charles Fish listed in the Sacramento City Directories for the years 1913-1916.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~npmelton/sacindex.html#_Directories
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: MARRIAGE-California.......
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 23 September 17 22:37 BST (UK) »
Erato, thank you for the website links. I looked but did not find anything about the marriage*. However last night before shutting down the computer, I had another look at familysearch and found the shipping manifest showing that Elizabeth Dobbie & Charles Fish arrived in San Francisco on 15.5.1913.

This morning brings your posts Lisa. You had also made the same discovery, thank you. [I think the occupation may read 'sign-writer'?]

And you found the newspaper article, thank you!

*Obviously Erato my searching skills are not up to scratch!  ::)

Lisa are you able to provide the link for the voyage from California to Sydney, please?

Thank you both for your interest and help. Very much appreciated.

Minniehaha.
HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: MARRIAGE-California.......
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 September 17 22:48 BST (UK) »
I found the passenger list on one of the pay sites so unfortunately I cannot provide a link.  :-\

I just noticed the passenger list from Victoria, BC to San Francisco, arriving May 15, 1913.  That list is more legible, and yes it does look like Charles' occupation was signwriter.

They certainly worked quickly to obtain a marriage license, one day after arriving in the states.  Perhaps things were pre-arranged?  ???
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)

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Re: MARRIAGE-California.......
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 September 17 22:56 BST (UK) »
In case this helps with putting puzzle pieces together...

They were going to friend, Harry Miers, Sacramento.  The address is difficult to read.

1913 Sacramento City Directory
Harry T Miers, woodwkr  Meister & Sons   h 914 1/2 F

Looking back at the passenger image, now I can see that Mr. Miers' address is indeed 914 1/2 F St.  I still cannot read the first part of the address - it looks like E'd ola Aptmts.
Ellison: Co. Wicklow/Canada       Fowley: Sligo/Canada       Furnival: Lancashire/Canada       Ibbotson: Sheffield/Canada       Lee/DeJongh: Lancashire & Cheshire       Mumford: Essex/Canada       Ovens: Ireland/Canada       Sarge: Yorkshire/Canada       Stuart: Sligo/Canada       Sullivan: Co. Clare/Canada      Vaus: Sussex/Surrey      Wakefield: Tuam or Ballinasloe, Ireland       (Surname: Originated/Place Last Lived)  (Canadians lived in Ontario)