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A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« on: Sunday 24 September 17 10:44 BST (UK) »
Hello
In the dataset on ancestry "All Shropshire, England, Extracted Church of England Parish Records" there is an entry that is a will transcript that is undated and that does not contain the name of the deceased.  I am trying to ascertain the date and whose will it is.  The item can be found on ancestry searching, with no date, the place Oswestry, Shropshire, on the the terms Evance or Yale.
The transcript available and record details on Ancestry are:
Item I giue and bequeath all that mesuage house or Burgage & garden adioyninge to the Churchyarde of Oswestry comonlie called Y ty or Tyddyn in y Fonwent and all that my Cottage comonly called Bullen wthall that my Crofte beinge betweene the Chappell Fieldes aforsaid and the House mille late of John Lloyd Esquier and also the reu'sion of all that my house and garden nowe in the possession of Robert ap Edward glou' adioyninge to the Schoole house of Oswestrie to Dauid Yale Doctor of the Lawe John Edwards of Chirke Thomas Powell of The Parke Esquiers Richard Evance of Trefelech gent and to their heires for eu' To the vse of the poore of the towne of Oswestrie aforsaid for eu' (viz) to be by them together wth the Baieliefs and ou'seers of the poore of the said towne of Oswestry for the tyme beinge or the greater number of them sett and lett at and for such yearely rent as the same shalbe yeerely worth ou' and besides the repacon thereof and the same yearlye rent to be by them or the greater number of them in and upon 01 Jan yearely and publickly imployd and bestowed upon such of the poore people of the said Towne of Oswestry as in their iudgement and conscience shall stand in most neede thereof And neu'thelesse my will is that if any preacher lawfully licenced doe upon the said day yearlie make one sermon in the Welshe tonge in the said pishe Church of Oswestrie then he shall haue and receave for the same yearely sixe shillings eyght pence to be deducted from and out of the said yearly rents of the last recited p'mises Provided neu'thelesse and my further will is that if the said David Yale John Edwards Thom's Powell Richard Evance and theire heires wth the Bayliefs and ou'seers aforsaid be remisse in doinge and p'forminge of the said Will & meaninge touchinge the imploynge of the yearlie rents aforsaid to be issuinge out and from the same That then and from the tyme that they shall first break or after the same I doe give and bequeath the same to such of my kyn male or female as shall be then lyvinge and to his or her heires and assignes for cu' &c
Book:     Register of Haiston.--Burials. (Burial)
Collection:     Shropshire: Oswestry - Parish Registers, St. Asaph Diocese.
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Glenn
Thorpe, Brady, Brealey, Gadd

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Re: A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 24 September 17 12:29 BST (UK) »
Book:     Register of Haiston.--Burials. (Burial)
Collection:     Shropshire: Oswestry - Parish Registers, St. Asaph Diocese.

I can't answer your question, but I think it will be Halston rather than Haiston, despite Ancestry.

See here ...
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SAL/Extraparochial/
" HALSTON, an extra parochial place in the hundred of Upper Oswestry, county Salop, 3 miles N.E. of Oswestry. It is situated near the Ellesmere canal, and the Shrewsbury and Chester railway. Here was anciently a preceptory of the Knights Templars by the Fitzalans. Halston Hall, the principal residence, is the fine old seat of the Myttons, who came into possession of the estate in 1560."

You could run a search of PCC wills on Ancestry using Halston as keyword, but that probably won't pick them all up because of mistranscriptions.
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=5111

Or you could do the same search on the National Archives website, using PROB 11 in the Reference box, and then search for each one individually on Ancestry.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=3&_aq=halston+shropshire&_cr=PROB+11&_dss=range&_ro=any&_st=adv

But the will may have been proved in a lower (local) court, rather than the PCC. So your best bet might be to email Shropshire Archives and ask them if they can identify it?
https://www.shropshirearchives.org.uk/

But see my further comment below ...

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Re: A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 24 September 17 12:50 BST (UK) »
On further reflection, if it is not a PCC will, probate records for the diocese of St Asaph would be at the National Library of Wales in Aberystwyth, rather than at Shropshire Archives.
https://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=147

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Re: A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 24 September 17 13:22 BST (UK) »
Direct link to Welsh Wills online:

https://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=6838

It can sometimes be awkward to search so I'll see if I can find anything.

Halston is near Whittington.

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Added - the site is very slow (often at weekends) and taking ages to load - will see if I can find more about it in other sources.
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Re: A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 24 September 17 14:12 BST (UK) »
It should be here in the Halston section:

https://archive.org/stream/shropshireparish02asapshro#page/n11/mode/2up


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Re: A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 24 September 17 14:13 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for your responses.
Dr David Yale was appointed Prebendary of St. Asaph 1578.  He was later the Bishop of Chester. Yale University in New Haven is named after his great-grandson. 
I did not think about the wills of Prerogative Court of Canterbury being available on ancestry so I will check these for each year until his death in 1626 [one year at a time] to see if I can identify the will. If not I will then contact the Shropshire & Aberystwyth archives.
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Re: A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 24 September 17 14:15 BST (UK) »
Did you miss my previous posts - it could be in that set of transcriptons.


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Added - only David Yale will in St Asaph/Nat Lib Wales wills  is in 1691.

Added2 - and a bond in 1651 for David Yale in Chester  Diocese/Nat Lib Wales wills. 
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Re: A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« Reply #7 on: Monday 25 September 17 00:00 BST (UK) »
Hello
Sorry Gadget I did not see your post before I posted mine.  I have checked the Whittington/Halston book, it is only from 1690ish and has very few entries.
A search in Ancestry on place Shropshire and the text Haiston produces 28,000 records, all seem to have the text “Book:    Register of Haiston.--Burials. (Burial).”  This is many more records than ever was in Halston.  The first 311 records do not have any date, the 312th starts at 1558 and is a burial.  The undated records are mostly headings and notations but some are identifiable, such as
Text:    Mr. Walter Griffiths of Llanvechan in the Countie of Montgymery & Mrs. Mary Davenport of Osswaldstree maried. Book:    Register of Haiston.--Burials. (Burial) Collection:    Shropshire: Oswestry - Parish Registers, St. Asaph Diocese –
Which is identifiable as the 1665 Oswestry marriage in the Select Marriages dataset
Name:    Mary Mrs Davenport Gender:    Female Marriage Date:    Jul 1665 Marriage Place:    Oswestry,Shropshire,England Spouse:    Walter Griffiths.
The dated records from 1558 match what is in the Oswestry register on Archive.org, with some entries missing, [ie Nov 1558 has only 3 of the 8 entries from the Oswestry Register]. 
So it seems it is likely taken the Oswestry register available on archive.org.  It is not in the first volume which covers 1558 to 1593, so I will try the subsequent volumes on archive.org later today [Oz time], and will repost my findings in about 12 hours.
Glenn 
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Re: A will in an Oswestry Parish Register
« Reply #8 on: Monday 25 September 17 04:04 BST (UK) »
Hello
This has been found in the Shropshire Parish Record. St Asaph Dioscese Vol 4. - the 1616 will of Hugh Yale.
A couple of things of interest/confusion, some relevant just to Shropshire:
 - 1) There is another arrangement of the St Asaph Diocese registers on Archive.org.  Apart from the full volume [Shropshire Parish Record. St Asaph Dioscese Vol 4, which goes to 1669] there is another version that I initially found which is titled [Shropshire Parish Record. St Asaph Dioscese Vol 4 Part 1] which only goes to 1593. 
- 2) Cannot identify where ancestry gets the title "Register of Haiston.--Burials. (Burial)" from, but all the records from the Oswestry Register [St Asaph] as under this title
- 3) Google searching on copied text from within the register does not find the document in archive.org!! [never encountered this one before - google searches will list the google books copy in preference to the archive.org copy but I have always had searches identify the book previously, this is not, i.e. search on "Dauid Yale" does not yield the register as a result]
Thank you all for your time & effort
Glenn
Thorpe, Brady, Brealey, Gadd