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Copland/Parker connection
« on: Monday 25 September 17 01:13 BST (UK) »
Hello,  I am trying to find out where John Parker (b. 1870) fits Into the family tree.
In the Census He is listed as the 'step-son' of William Copland b. 1854. Kelton and Catherine Dargavel b. 1857 Sanquhar.  Would this mean that Catherine was married to a Parker before she married William Copland?
John Parker is quite a bit older than the children of William and Catherine.
Any help in clearing up this question would be much appreciated.

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Re: Copland/Parker connection
« Reply #1 on: Monday 25 September 17 07:39 BST (UK) »
Hi have you checked the marriage for William Copland and Catherine Dargavel 1888 Hutchesontown to see if it mentions a previous marriage for William Copland ?

Looking at the 1881 census if this is the correct one address 495,Springburn Road Glasgow
William Copland age 26 b Castle Douglas (House painter )
Elizabeth Copland age 35 born Edinburgh
John Parker age 11 born Glasgow
William Parker age 3 born Glasgow

The 1891 census has William Copland age 36 b Castle Douglas
Wife Catherine Copland age 34 b Sanquhar

Which ties in with the 1888 marriage

There is a birth for a John Parker 14/9/1869 Hutchesontown Glasgow
Father Thomas Parker
Mother Elizabeth Thomson Wilson

Marriage for this couple 25/9/1868
High Church Glasgow

There is a marriage for a William Copland 1876 Gorbals Glasgow
Spouse Elizabeth Parker

There is a death on Scotlands People for Elizabeth Thoms Copland other surname Wilson
1888 Hutcheson town ref 644/11292

So that explains why John Parker is with William Copland

Just to add the 1871 Census address 1,Forsyth Street Glasgow
Thomas Parker age 30 born Paisley
Elizabeth T Parker age 25 born Edinburgh
John Parker age 1 born Glasgow

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Re: Copland/Parker connection
« Reply #2 on: Monday 25 September 17 08:11 BST (UK) »
Hi rosie17,  Thank you so much for your input.  if I got this right it means Elizabeth Thomson Wilson married Thomas Parker 25/9/1868 and they had two children: John Parker and William Parker.
Elizabeth then married William Copland and they are then referred to as Copland step-sons.  Elizabeth  died in 1888.
William then married Catherine Dargavel and they went on to have more children.
Have I got that right? Very confusing - just about over the numerous Williams in the family (Scottish naming!?!?).
My next question is what happened to the younger Elizabeth/Thomas Parker son = William?
Many many thanks for helping sort this out. Cheers

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Re: Copland/Parker connection
« Reply #3 on: Monday 25 September 17 08:59 BST (UK) »
Getting the certificates on Scotlands People will just confirm if this is correct

1891 census address 15,Jamieson Street Glasgow
William Copland age 36 b Castle Douglas
Catherine Copland age 34 b Sanquhar
William Copland age 13 b Glasgow message boy ( still with the family )
James D Copland age 2 b Govanhill ( looks like he went to Australia )
Margaret Copland age 1Govanhill

1901 census address 119 Smith Street Glasgow
Catherine Copland age 43 b Sanquhar   (head keeps boarders )
James Copland age 12 ,
Margaret Copland age 11
Thomas Copland age 8
Fanny Copland age 5
Margaret Dargavel age 70 (mother )
Fanny Copland age 71 ( mother )

You would need to check for a marriage for William Copland b 1878 but this could be a possible record
1901 census 98 Batson Street Glasgow Govan
William Copland age 23 b 1878 Glasgow (railway ticket collector )
Elizabeth J McArthur age 23 wife
Janet J McArthur age 4 months daughter

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Re: Copland/Parker connection
« Reply #4 on: Monday 25 September 17 09:29 BST (UK) »
Interestingly the 1901 census entry for William Copland actually shows as being Hutchesontown reg district on Scotlandspeople.This is the correct district for Govanhill, which is where Batson Street is located. Both Ancestry and FindMyPast show reg district as Govan ( though FindMyPast also shows
Hutchesontown). Govan and Govanhill are in completely different parts of Glasgow. As William was living in Govanhill in 1891 (Jamieson Street and Batson Street were a stone's throw from one another) this definitely looks like a possible.
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Re: Copland/Parker connection
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 01:06 BST (UK) »
Thanks isobelw,  Coming from Australia I find it difficult to work out the districts, localities etc of Scotland, so your input is very helpful.
Of course the other difficulty is the naming sequence of Scottish people. I have so many Williams and James - oh to find the right one!?!?   Thanks again

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Re: Copland/Parker connection
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 01:14 BST (UK) »
thanks Rosie17,  I do have the wedding certificate for William and Catherine but there is no mention of a previous marriage to Elizabeth Parker.
You mention a marriage of William and Elizabeth - can I ask where you found this as I can't see it anywhere.
Still can't find William Parker also. (the younger son)
thanks again really appreciate your help.

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Re: Copland/Parker connection
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 07:37 BST (UK) »
Hi you will find the marriage on Scotlands People
William Copland spouse Elizabeth Parker listed also as Elizabeth Wilson
1876 Gorbals Glasgow
Ref 644/12104

You would need to trail through the Marriages and deaths for the son William Copland on Scotlands People which could work out quite expensive ...

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Re: Copland/Parker connection
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 07:47 BST (UK) »

Still can't find William Parker also. (the younger son)
thanks again really appreciate your help.

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Try looking for  a  William Copland instead of Parker as the parents were married 1876 so he would have been the son of William Copland /Elizabeth Wilson

Rosie