John Harris

[heddwch]

Please can someone help  Many thanks

I am reseaching John Harris born 1841  who on 19th February 1863 Married Mary Tregoning nee Marks  at the registry office in Redruth Cornwall. His father was John Harris (deceased) Occupation MIner ( on the marriage cert)
John Harris (1841) Occupation was Copper Miner
Have hit a brick wall with  John Harris parents ect.
He eventually lived in Aberdare Glamorgan and raised a family I have this information
 
Kind regards
Heddwch

[heddwch]

The address for Bride and Groom on the Marriage Cert is Saint Day Gwennap   Thanks

[KGarrad]

Where does he say he was born on the later censuses?

Cornwall-OPC-database has 14 baptisms for a John Harris, father's name John, between 1840 and 1842?

[osprey]

there's a possible in 1851 in Gwennap depending on where he was born

Gwennap, HO107/1914 folio 413 pg 12
John Harris head mar 34 miner b. Illogan
Caroline wife 29 b. Illogan
John son 9 b. Redruth
James son 6
Thomas son 4
William son 2
all children born Redruth

[heddwch]

1841 census
John Harris age 25
Ann Harris wife age 25
Children
Thomas Bolitho son age 7
Elizabeth Harris daughter age 2.

So found the family.
 Ann his wife married a Thomas Bolitho 1834 Gwennap Thomas  died in 1841
Ann maiden name was Trewartha   she died 1863

John Harris second husband of Ann died 1849

They had Three children  and in the following census following thier mother death they where lodges and boarders.

If anyone knows anymore  would be most grateful 

Many thanks

[osprey]

so this 1851 then

Gorland, Gwennap HO107/1914 foio 190 pg 27
Ann Harris head widow 37 housekeeper
Thomas Bolitho son 16 miner
Elizabeth dau 11
John son 9
George son 8
all born Gwennap

baptism of Thomas
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3617022

possible baptism for Ann
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3611340

baptism ties in with father as given on second marriage in Kenwyn

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=492452

original of marriage

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ksa/ 

The witnesses are not family members, T G Hicks was the parish clerk and Margaret Courtis the wife of the sexton.

With John only appearing on the 1841 census when only county of birth given, identifying his baptism could become guesswork. There's a possible baptism in Gwennap for a John son of George Harris in 1814 but that doesn't tie in with the age of 23 at marriage in 1839.

[heddwch]

Many thanks Osprey    Cheers Heddwch

[osprey]

Where did John die? There are only 2 John Harris deaths registered Redruth in 1849, one of them was aged 2 and the other 0, so not your John.

Think I may have found the burial 5 Oct 1848 in St Day aged 33 abode Vogue (same as 1841 census) of decline.
Also, think I can account for the John baptised Gwennap in 1814 in later years. Abode on baptism was Kenwyn, and there is a John of the right age in Linkinhorne with wife Ann and children. Mother's maiden name is Manuell from the GRO index and this marriage before names of fathers appear on certs
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=938642

So, there are also these possible baptisms
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=1509454
and
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=3612909
both fathers named George and miners.

 

[osprey]

John Trewartha married Jane Sando in Gwennap 5 Jan 1800.

Possible burial for John aged 58 17 Dec 1833 in St Day, abode Vogue.

1841 census Vogue, Gwennap HO107/137/12 folio 27 pg 10
Jane Trewartha 60 widow
John William 20 miner copper
Cath William 20
Cath William 3 months
Mary Williams 2
all born in county

1851 Vogue, Gwennap HO107/1914 folio 204 pg 12
Jane Trewartha head widow 71 copper miner's widow b. Kenwyn
Joseph son 34 copper ore miner b. Gwennap
Mary grand dau 11 labourer on copper ores b. Gwennap

Jane buried St Day aged 78 6 Dec 1854 abode Vogue
Possible baptism 27 Aug 1780 in Kenwyn dau of William & Jane Sandoe

Possible baptism in Gwennap for John Trewartha 31 Dec 1775 son of William & Elizabeth.