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Re: HOLLINGWORTH - BRAMMAN Missing Marriage in 1847.
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 10:23 BST (UK) »
You seem to have pretty well tied this all up apart from the assumed marriage

John married Senna King at St Mary's Nottingham 1830, perhaps this was the family church, is it possible to search the church records, he was a widower so he would be free to marry

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Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
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Re: HOLLINGWORTH - BRAMMAN Missing Marriage in 1847.
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 18:25 BST (UK) »
The FHS CD has transcribed John's first wife's name as Jenna or Jemma and gives these baptisms at Notts St Mary; John is listed as a lacemaker and the abode as Count St for each:

1830 09 26      Mary Ann   
1833 06 09      William   
1837 08 07      John   

(The wife's name is transcribed as Senna for her marriage and burial, details as supplied prev by Louisa Maud)

There's nothing listed with Eliza as mother until 1855, at Sneinton St Stephen (which is in the Radford district) - family in Eldon St and John still a lacemaker

1855 10 21      Samuel   

I can't see any possible marriages between John and Eliza, no matter how I try to warp the spelling of the names!

Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Leic)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
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Re: HOLLINGWORTH - BRAMMAN Missing Marriage in 1847.
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 September 17 10:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Louisa Maud and Annie65115

Thank you both for your further contributions.   I knew John was a lacemaker but hadn't got that info from the online baptism transcripts.   As for Samuel, his mother was really Senna.   He was baptised as an adult, a year before his marriage in St. Stephen's Church.

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Diana
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Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth - Piddington, Northants
Bonner - Warwickshire & Leicestershire
Caughlin - Clonmore Co. Wicklow/Carlow
Muzzell - Sussex
Jones - Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood - Devon
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Re: HOLLINGWORTH - BRAMMAN Missing Marriage in 1847.
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 September 17 14:04 BST (UK) »
Have you had a chance to actually look at their local church records for a marriage, or getting in touch with the local register office

You might just have to think there wasn't a marriage at all, specially as at the moment we don't know if Eliza was already married, 1841 might be a clue

My gt grandmother never married my Gt grandfather after having at least 9 children together, she then left him and married another man, think there was a few porky pies told at the time

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Census information is Crown Copyright,
from  www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: HOLLINGWORTH - BRAMMAN Missing Marriage in 1847.
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 September 17 16:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Louisa Maud

No, I haven't seen the actual church registers.   All my information comes from online transcripts.   I think you're right that contacting the local register office would be a good idea.   It's just possible the marriage has fallen through the cracks.

I don't know if Eliza was married, but assume not since she was going by her maiden name before John BRAMMAN came on the scene.   She did have an illegitimate daughter whose birth was registered in Q1 1841 (10 year old Elizabeth Holling BRAMMAN of the 1851 census and 20 year old Elizabeth BRADLEY of the 1861 census).   I have not located them together in the 1841 census although I may have found Eliza on her own - having problems with Ancestry today although FindMyPast OK, just sometimes the search results seem better on Ancestry for the census.

I also have great grandparents on another line who had a dozen children without ever bothering to marry.   It was probably a lot more common than we might think.

Diana
Hakes - Piddington, Northants; Bucks
Hillyard, Lebatt & Bodsworth - Piddington, Northants
Bonner - Warwickshire & Leicestershire
Caughlin - Clonmore Co. Wicklow/Carlow
Muzzell - Sussex
Jones - Rushbury, Shropshire; Nuneaton & Birmingham, Warwickshire; Piddington & Northampton, Northants
Penhorwood - Devon
Shutt - Devon & Kent
Oliver, Davies & James - Pembrokeshire
Green, Enser, Oldham, Bramman, Billings & Watmough - Nottinghamshire