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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 15 October 17 03:23 BST (UK) »
Wow! Ruth, you are a genius! I never would have found them, not in a million years. Thanks so much. Some great leads to follow too. :-)

John Brown Moodie is intriguing - can't wait to find out more about him. And John Millar, born Durham?! That was a surprise.

I wonder if any of the family came to Australia - two of Elizabeth Cook's brothers emigrated in 1853 and 1877.

Jan
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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 15 October 17 15:27 BST (UK) »
Think I've found Margaret in 1901 - but still no obvious death - it's a puzzle, that's for sure  ???

1901
6a Simpsons Court, Edinburgh
David Millar, 27, head, porter, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Margaret Millar, 53, mother, charwoman, Barrhead, Lanarkshire (sic)
Robert Millar, 18, brother, sealing wax maker, Edinburgh

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #20 on: Monday 16 October 17 03:09 BST (UK) »
Well spotted! Looks like Margaret was a widow.

I might have found James Millar's death in the Edinburgh Evening News on 22 October 1897:

DEATHS Died on 19th, at Longmore Hospital, James Millar, plumber. Funeral on Friday. 22d, 3 o'clock, from Longmore Hospital. All friends invited. Deeply regretted.

The corresponding entry in the index on SP:
MILLAR JAMES 49 1897 685/5 1064 Newington
means a birth date ca 1848 which fits with the 1881 census you found (also his occupation of plumber).

I think I've found John Brown Moodie in 1881 in Glasgow:
John Brown  35 head Barrhead Renfrew machine operator
Ann Brown  33 wife Baldernock Stirlingshire
Agnes Brown  9 dau Glasgow
William Brown  7 son Glasgow
John Brown  5 son Glasgow
Robert Brown  1 son Glasgow

If this is him, it's interesting he named his first son William, which would suggest that his father was William Moodie and not David Brown.

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #21 on: Monday 16 October 17 10:24 BST (UK) »

I think I've found John Brown Moodie in 1881 in Glasgow:
John Brown  35 head Barrhead Renfrew machine operator
Ann Brown  33 wife Baldernock Stirlingshire
Agnes Brown  9 dau Glasgow
William Brown  7 son Glasgow
John Brown  5 son Glasgow
Robert Brown  1 son Glasgow


I don't think that's him - this John Brown married Ann Scott McLeod in Glasgow in 1871 - his parents appear as William Brown and Margaret McIntyre on the marriage cert. :-\

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #22 on: Monday 16 October 17 11:27 BST (UK) »
Ah, I saw Barrhead and thought that fit ...

I found another child for Margaret Moodie and James Millar:

Name     Elizabeth Amelia Millar   
 Gender     Female   
 Birth Date     11 Dec 1867   
 Birthplace     EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND   
 Father's Name    James Millar     
 Mother's Name    Margaret Moodie   

and her death
MILLAR ELIZABETH AMELI 1 MOODIE 1869 685/3 1164 Canongate

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 04:28 BST (UK) »
I found Elizabeth Brown in 1881 in Edinburgh - no surprise who is living with her, although badly transcribed  :-) Surely she didn't marry someone 24 years younger!

Elizabeth Brown  54 head Nelson Renfrewshire
 Robert Brown  33 son Edinburgh van man
 John Brown  26 Nelson Renfrewshire upholsterer (unemployed)
 Michael Rully  30 boarder ireland general labourer

and I think this could be John Brown (Moodie) in 1891:

John Brown 24 head Barrhead Renfrewshire cooper machineman
Barbra Brown 25 wife Cranston Midlothian
Barbra Brown 1 Mo dau St Andrew Midlothian
Address: 5 Beaverhall Rd Edinburgh

and 1901:
John Brown  34 head Abbey Renfrewshire cooper's machineman
 Barbara Brown  35 wife Cranston Midlothian
 Barbara Brown  10 dau Edinburgh scholar
 Andrew Brown  8 son Edinburgh scholar
 Peter Brown  5 son Edinburgh scholar
 John Brown  2 son Edinburgh
 Alfred Wilson  31 brother in law Cranston Midlothian engine driver (stationary)
Address: 5 Beaverhall Rd Edinburgh

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 09:19 BST (UK) »
I found Elizabeth Brown in 1881 in Edinburgh - no surprise who is living with her, although badly transcribed  :-) Surely she didn't marry someone 24 years younger!

The ages all look out on this one - but it's certainly her, as the address is the same address she was at when she married Michael Riley in 1884. He was 58 when they married.

and I think this could be John Brown (Moodie) in 1891:

John Brown 24 head Barrhead Renfrewshire cooper machineman
Barbra Brown 25 wife Cranston Midlothian
Barbra Brown 1 Mo dau St Andrew Midlothian
Address: 5 Beaverhall Rd Edinburgh

and 1901:
John Brown  34 head Abbey Renfrewshire cooper's machineman
 Barbara Brown  35 wife Cranston Midlothian
 Barbara Brown  10 dau Edinburgh scholar
 Andrew Brown  8 son Edinburgh scholar
 Peter Brown  5 son Edinburgh scholar
 John Brown  2 son Edinburgh
 Alfred Wilson  31 brother in law Cranston Midlothian engine driver (stationary)
Address: 5 Beaverhall Rd Edinburgh

I think this is unlikely to be John Moodie/Brown - if it is, he's lost 20 years  :o

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #25 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 09:24 BST (UK) »
I've found Elizabeth Cook again in 1891 - she's back calling herself Elizabeth Brown again (Micheal Riley died in 1887):

1891
6 Pleasance, Edinburgh
Elizabeth Brown, 67, charwoman, Neilston, Ayrshire (sic)

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #26 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 09:46 BST (UK) »
Ah, Michael's age makes more sense. Thanks for his death date.

I don't know what I was thinking with John Brown. My excuse is I've been working on this most of the day - it's been wet and windy all day.

Elizabeth Brown - another great find! I wonder why she started using Brown again. She doesn't have much idea of where Neilston is, does she? Perthshire in 1871, Ayrshire in 1891 :-)

Jan
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