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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 10:01 BST (UK) »
Just had a thought - I wonder if Michael Reilley was already married, so Elizabeth went back to using her former name.
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 10:46 BST (UK) »
Michael Riley died in 1887, so it's no surprise that Elizabeth stopped using his name afterwards. It was common practice for widows in Scotland to revert to their maiden names after the death of their husbands (in Scotland, women aren't required to give up their maiden names on marriage). Granted, in this case, Elizabeth goes back to her former married name, but still.

And Micheal Riley was, indeed, married previously - he's identified as a widower on his marriage to Elizabeth Cook. He married Rosannah (Rose) McCall in Shotts, Lanarkshire in 1854. Rose died in Calton prison in Edinburgh in 1870.

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 11:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Ruth, I didn't realise they dropped their married names after their husbands died.

Interesting about Michael Riley's wife - I wonder what she was in prison for. Seems times were tough in those days.

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England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 17 October 17 12:09 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Ruth, I didn't realise they dropped their married names after their husbands died.
Not always, but it's not uncommon.

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 18 October 17 08:36 BST (UK) »
Re Matthew Brown, son of David Brown and Elizabeth Cook - seems he became a tobacconist (1871-1901) and worked for John Cotton Ltd for many years. His death - 13 November 1935 in The Scotsman :

BROWN  At Marionville , 8 Sciennes Gardens , Edinburgh , on 12th November , MATTHEW BROWN , in his 84th year , beloved husband of Jessie Porteous and for many years with John Cotton Ltd . Funeral on Thursday 14th November , to Dairy Cemetery . Friends desiring to attend kindly meet at cemetery gates at 3 pm.

His wife, Jessie Ann, nee Porteous, (married 9 Aug 1872 Edinburgh) died 1960 Edinburgh, aged 97!

Their son, Alexander Porteous Brown, born about 1877 Edinburgh, died 1960 Leith. Still working on a marriage.

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England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 19 October 17 08:41 BST (UK) »
Re Elizabeth Brown, bc 1855 Paisley Renfrewshire, daughter of David Brown and Elizabeth Cook - probable marriage to John Letterick 1874 Glasgow.

The 1891 census in Glasgow lists Elizabeth B Litterick born ca 1855 Barrhead Renfrewshire.
Her children include David B. Litterick 1877, Matthew Brown Litterick 1888, David and Robert Brown Litterick 1890.

These seem to fit with the Scottish naming pattern - Elizabeth Brown's father was David Brown, grandfather Matthew Brown and brother Robert Brown.

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England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 19 October 17 11:01 BST (UK) »
Re Elizabeth Brown, bc 1855 Paisley Renfrewshire, daughter of David Brown and Elizabeth Cook - probable marriage to John Letterick 1874 Glasgow.

That certainly looks like her - I think this is the family in 1881, although the transcription of the children's names is hopeless:

1881
Dobbies Loan, Glasgow St Rollox
John Letterick, 30, carter, Mockrum, Wigton
Elizabeth Letterick, 26, Barrhead, Renfrewshire
Daniel Letterick, 3, Glasgow (this must be David - there is no Daniel registered)
Thomas Letterick, 1, Glasgow (this must be James - again, no Thomas registered)
David Brown, 20, boarder, Edinburgh

And looks like that's Elizabeth's brother, David, lodging with them. He went on to marry Jean/Jane Rae in Glasgow St Rollox in 1890.

I've found 9 children of John Litterick and Elizabeth Brown - all born in St Rollox:
Hugh Litterick b. 1876 d. 1877
David Brown Litterick b. 1877 d. 1937
James McArthur Litterick b. 1880 d. 1950
Elizabeth Ann Litterick b. 1882 d. 1883
John Litterick b. 1884 d. 1935
Agnes Philip McArthur Litterick b. 1887 d. 1950
Matthew Brown Litterick b. 1888 d. 1910
Robert Brown Litterick b. 1890 d. 1959
Samuel Litterick b. 1892 d. 1895

Elizabeth Litterick (nee Brown) died in 1926.

I'm curious about the McArthur middle name for two of the children, as McArthur is my family name - although my McArthurs were still in Aberdeenshire at this time - they didn't make it to Glasgow until around 1920.

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McArthur, Milne, Mitchell, Black, Robertson, Morrison, Slessor, Lawrence - Aberdeenshire/Banffshire. Muir, Waddell, Fraser, Orr, Cowden - Lanarkshire/Renfrewshire/Dunbartonshire. Dalziel, Dalzell, Gourley, Cromie, Crombie, Bell - Co Down. Haymon, Baker, Corke, Cooley, Ginger - Kent/London.

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 19 October 17 13:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Ruth, it's definitely the same family in 1881 - same address as 1891 and 1901. Plus having Elizabeth's brother there is a bonus. Thanks for filling in the gaps with the children too.

I found David Brown Letterick married Annie Duff. One of their children was named Agnes Millar Letterick. Wonder if the Millar came from Elizabeth Brown's side? :-)

I haven't come across any McArthurs on the Brown/Cook/Millar lines so I'd say McArthur  must come from the Letterick side. More investigation needed.

Jan
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Missing family after 1881 - PARKINS
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 09 January 18 12:28 GMT (UK) »
Just adding confirmation that John Brown Moodie is definitely Margaret Moodie's brother. He's listed in the Renfrewshire Poor Law record for Elizabeth Cook Moodie on 27 November 1849:

Children Living with Applicant
- Margaret (3), born Barrhead
- John (9 months), born Barrhead

William Moodie left Elizabeth on 18 May 1849.
England:
Durham: COULSON, FENWICK, HUNTER, LOWES, NAYLOR, ROBSON
Norfolk: DEWING, OUGHTON, TAYLOR,
Lancashire: TWEDDLE
Ireland: KEATING, Limerick; NELSON, Donegal
Scotland: BENNIE, Glasgow; COOK, Renfrewshire; HENDERSON, Alloa/Dundee; HUNTER, Glasgow; KIRKWOOD, Alloa; LAMONT, Dalkeith; YOUNG, Glasgow
Switzerland: VOSTI, DELUBINI
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk