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Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« on: Wednesday 27 September 17 10:37 BST (UK) »
William Strang Harvie, son of William Strang Harvie and Marion Harley, married Euphemia Anderson Lindsay, daughter of John Lindsay and Elizabeth Burt Anderson, in the Masonic Temple, Airdrie on 10 March 1908.

William was killed in action in Flanders on 27 November 1917.

On 20 August 1924 the widowed Effie married Joseph Wilkie Craig, son of William Craig and Marion Wilkie. Joseph was a widower and had three children from his first marriage, born 1910, 1911 and 1914, of whom two died in infancy and the third married in 1939.

Effie died in Coatbridge in 1982 and her death certificate was signed by her son H Craig, of 1 Laird Street, Coatbridge.

Joseph died in Coatbridge in 1956, and his death was registered by H Craig, son, 111 Dunbeth Road, Coatbridge. In his will he mentions his stepson William Strang Harvie Craig, and both William and his brother John Lindsay Harvie Craig continued in the printing business established by their stepfather's father.

William Strang Harvie Craig married in 1942 and died in 2001 in Airdrie, and his date of birth is given as 25 October 1911. His brother John Lindsay Harvey Craig married in 1946 and died in Coatbridge in 2001, and his birth date is given as 26 March 1916.

So it looks clear enough that William and John, named after their respective grandfathers, were born in 1911 and 1916, and adopted by their stepfather.

However, try as I will, I simply cannot find their birth certificates in Scotland, England or Wales, or William's in Ireland. I am not sure if the 1916 Irish births are yet available online, but if they are, John wasn't born in Ireland either. In the military records William's residence is listed as Longriggend and he enlisted in Hamilton.

I have seen all but one* of the certificates relating to this family, but I have failed to find William Harvie and Effie in the 1911 census. Am I going to have to wait until 2022 to see where the 1921 census says they were born, or can anyone else find them in the interim?

*The death certificate of their stepsister Mary Craig or Chassels, who died in 2005 in East Kilbride, which is not going to help find the boys' births.
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Re: Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 11:43 BST (UK) »
Hi how sure are you about that death 1917 Flanders ?

Found this Naturalization Record for William Strang Harvie age 37 occupation stone cutter
Born Airdrie Scotland 21/6/1878
Wife  Effie Harvie
Mentions a child William Harvie birth date 26 October 1911 Pennsylvania

A death for William S Harvey
Birth date 21/6/1878 Scotland ( Stone cutter)
13 August 1917
Hummelstown Daupin Pennsylvania
Father William S Harvey
Mother Marion Harley

That would explain why you can't find them on the 1911 census as they are in the USA
Immigration 20 Feb 1909
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Re: Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 11:50 BST (UK) »
Arrival Liverpool 30 May 1919
Effie L Harvie age 35
John Harvie 3
William Harvie 7
Address 148,Graham Street Airdrie
Ship Royal George

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Re: Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 12:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Rosie! That does seem to be the solution. Except, of course, that it begs the question of how William Harvie died.

And of course I have not (yet?) found them in the 1910 US census :(
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Re: Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 12:12 BST (UK) »
Added the date of death 13 August and he died of Tuberculosis and Pleurisy

Photo of his grave stone on www.findagrave.com

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Re: Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 12:20 BST (UK) »
Transcribed as Harire on Anc....y ::)
1910 Poplar Avenue Hummelstown Daupin Pennsylvania
William S Harire age 32 b 1878 Scotland ..stone cutter
Effie A Harire age 26 b 1884 Scotland
George Drysdale age 21 b 1889 Scotland ..stone mason
William Leishman age 48 b 1862 Scotland ..stone mason

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Re: Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 15:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks again, Rosie. Armed with that, I have now seen the original of the census. Interestingly it says that William had immigrated in 1906, and Effie in 1909, and he is an alien but she is not. Also that she had had one child who had died.
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Re: Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 27 September 17 20:27 BST (UK) »
Yes did notice the different dates on the immigration record

Maybe this is why William Harvie age 31 b Airdrie occupation stone cutter arrived 31 May 1908 New York
Ship Columbia
Contact details
Wife W Harvie 6,Claude Street Airdrie

William arrived back Glasgow 20 December 1908

They both arrived New York 1 March 1909
Ship Caledonia
Contact details Mrs Harvey
6 Clark Street Airdrie

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Re: Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« Reply #8 on: Friday 06 October 17 23:28 BST (UK) »
William Harvie -obit (see Attached)

The Evening News
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Tuesday, August 14, 1917 - Page 4

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There was a funeral notice (very hard to read) on 17 Aug. that mentioned his wife and two sons William & Lindsay. Don't know why son Lindsay wasn't mentioned in the attached 14 August clip?

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The Evening News
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Thursday, October 11, 1917 - Page 15

 A farewell party was given Tuesday evening at the home of Mrs. David Cassel on East Main street In honor of Mrs. Effie Harvie and her sons, William and Lindsay. Mrs. Harvie and children left today to spend several days with Mr. and Mrs. David McHolland at Harrisburg and will leave there Sunday for Winnipeg, Canada, where they will reside for some time with Mrs. Harvie's sister, Mrs. A. Cleghorh. Mrs. Harvie later plans to return to her naive home at Airdrie, Scotland. The party was given by the Ladies' Aid Society of Zion Lutheran Church and during the evening refreshments were served to the following guests:.....