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William Charles Dunn b 1859 Lambeth
« on: Friday 29 September 17 18:53 BST (UK) »
Can anyone find this child's death or burial, please? Or even find him grown up.

William Charles Dunn born on 29 May 1859 @ 40 King Street Lambeth father Ralph Dunn bacon drier journeyman mother Elizabeth Dunn formerly Clegg same address

No baptism has been found [yet], although most of this couple's children WERE baptised. William does not appear on the 1861 census with the family RG09/354/50/12 1861 census 9 Saunders St so it is likely he died between 1859 & 1861 census.

The ages exclude these deaths
DUNN, WILLIAM       74     
GRO Reference: 1859  S Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 79
DUNN, WILLIAM       62     
GRO Reference: 1865  D Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 235
DUNN, WILLIAM       35     
GRO Reference: 1862  S Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 35

I DON'T THINK IT IS THIS WILLIAM:
I did find in 1871 a William Dunn aged 12 boarder in Camberwell b Surrey London @ 18 - 24 High Street RG10; Piece: 730; Folio: 4; Page: 2
but I suspect he could be this William in
1861 : RG 9; Piece: 344; Folio: 64; Page: 44 Newington, Camberwell
William Dunn   31 tailor's assistant
Elizabeth A Dunn   30 b Lambeth
Elizabeth A Dunn   8
Jessie Dunn   6
William Dunn   2
Nancie E Dunn   3/12
Charlotte Wilkings   18 servant
Henry Y Jolly   25 boarder tailor's assistant
all apart from wife born Newington
Have not yet found family in 1871 but this being the same family in
1881  RG11; Piece: 686; Folio: 51; Page: 41
William Dunn   51 master tailor
Elisabeth A. Dunn   50 b Lambeth
Jessie Dunn   26
Mary E. Dunn   20
William Dunn   22 master tailor
Percy R. Dunn   13
Kate E. Dunn   7
So I have discounted this Camberwell WIlliam.

My Dunn family stayed in Lambeth. I have looked on deaths & burials on freebmd, ancestry & findmypast. I have used 'similar sounding names' on the GRO site & tried using 'female'.I feel if he is registered at birth with a name he wouldn't be registered at death without one [am I right here?]. There is a William Henry Dunn death in 1860 Q3 1d 147 but he is aged 26, no William Charles Dunn or William Dunn deaths in Lambeth 1859 - 1861, no William Charles deaths anywhere. There is a Charles William Dunn 1859  Q4 Lambeth  1d 230 but he is aged 5.

Ralph died - or disappeared - between 1861 & 1868 [see http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=455595.msg3179144#msg3179144] & Elizabeth remarried to James Nottingham in 1868.

Thanks for any help, Josey
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: William Charles Dunn b 1859 Lambeth
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 October 17 12:59 BST (UK) »
I have found that there are more than 30 deaths of children under 2 in Lambeth between Q2 1859 - Q1 1861 recorded on the GRO site as [for instance]
   
Name:   Age at Death (in years):       
-,  -      0     
GRO Reference: 1859  S Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 191

so unless I can find some way of eliminating those with names using same GRO reference from freebmd - on which you can't search with no name - it would need ordering quite a few certificates....

Not this death either
DUNN, CHARLES  WILLIAM     5     
GRO Reference: 1859  D Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 230
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: William Charles Dunn b 1859 Lambeth
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 October 17 14:09 BST (UK) »
Age could be five months, or even weeks, rather than years. This has caused confusion since the new index came online, but can be helpful sometimes.
But 5 months would fit.
John

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Re: William Charles Dunn b 1859 Lambeth
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 October 17 14:15 BST (UK) »
That I didn't know, so thanks. Certificate will be worth a punt....
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: William Charles Dunn b 1859 Lambeth
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 12 October 17 15:58 BST (UK) »
Have ordered the Charles William Dunn 1859 Lambeth death certificate by .pdf during new GRO trial for 6.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: William Charles Dunn b 1859 Lambeth
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 12 October 17 22:39 BST (UK) »
Good luck!
Let us know how you get on.
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Re: William Charles Dunn b 1859 Lambeth
« Reply #6 on: Monday 16 October 17 14:41 BST (UK) »
No email yet but the .pdf was waiting in 'My Orders' on the GRO site.

Charles William Dunn aged 5 months [so spot on jonw65] died at 40 King Street on 18 Nov 1859 from smallpox 11 days. Son of Ralph Dunn journeyman bacon drier registered by Elizabeth Dunn mother present at the death made mark.

Thanks for the help. Have put details as a postem on freebmd.org. Just goes to show you have to consider reversed forenames  ::)

Josey
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON