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The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« on: Monday 02 October 17 22:33 BST (UK) »
I have been reading about the above hotel and surprised to read that
 it was designed and built in the early 1870's. I have an earlier dated  (Sept 1861) letterhead and letter but cannot gain access to the several local history sites to inform them. The writer basically sends the bearer to Mr McEwan with a dish  for filling with salt butter. The writer is Robert  ....surname indecipherable. I would like to know Robert who?

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Re: The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« Reply #1 on: Monday 02 October 17 22:56 BST (UK) »
Can you post a clip with the writing along with some extra writing for word comparison please?

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« Reply #2 on: Monday 02 October 17 23:03 BST (UK) »
Earliest on VRs;

MACKENZIE DANIEL
Proprietor
DRUMMOND ARMS HOTEL
NO 8 JAMES SQUARE, CRIEFF
1875
VR011300021-

Prior dates on SP are 1865 & 1855

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« Reply #3 on: Monday 02 October 17 23:17 BST (UK) »
Very impressed with such a speedy response. After trying many possibilities am pretty sure it's Robert France. When checking on the Perthshirecrieff etc outfit they give several occupations which includes proprietor (rather than landlord/licenced vic) Will scan tomorrow and post.

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Re: The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« Reply #4 on: Monday 02 October 17 23:24 BST (UK) »
Seems the Drummond Arms Hotel was in operation more than a century before the 1861 letter....

"Bonnie Prince Charlie held his last war council in the Drummond Arms Hotel before he was finally defeated at Culloden in 1746"

http://www.perthshire-scotland.co.uk/crieff3.htm

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« Reply #5 on: Monday 02 October 17 23:57 BST (UK) »
pretty sure it's Robert France.

Not seeing a Robert France in Crieff on 1861 although a couple of that name nearby.

There's a Daniel McKenzie, 24, Grocers Ap, High St, North Side, Crieff

Reg No. 342
ED 1
Sch no. 78
Line 8
Roll CSSCT1861_48

Could he be the Proprietor by 1875 in Reply #2?

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 October 17 00:11 BST (UK) »
MCCALL COLIN 36
1861
342/ 1/ 12
Crieff, Perth

From another source ;)... Address is Hotel & his Occ. is Hotel Keeper

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

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Re: The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 03 October 17 01:14 BST (UK) »
Not finding any 'Mr' McEwans in 1861 with a suitable occ. which would involve 'a dish for filling with salt butter' (as such) at a shop but there's....

MCEWEN THOMAS 62
1861
342/ 5/ 28
Crieff, Perth

From another source ;)...Occ. "Richard Farmer"  ::)

I can't even hazard a guess on that transcription   ???

It would make sense for a farmer (if he had livestock) to make such things as Butter, Crowdie (Cheese), Black/White Puddings & of course Haggis etc.
I'm unsure of terms used in different places such as 'Crofter' who would also be 'Farmers' (as were my family).

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South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"

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Re: The Drummond Arms Hotel, Crieff
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 03 October 17 01:31 BST (UK) »
Hmm..Talk about conflicting evidence...

"In February 1746 the Jacobite army was quartered in and around the town with Prince Charles Edward Stuart holding his final war council in the old Drummond Arms Inn in James Square"

http://www.visitcrieff.scot/history-of-crieff/

At least they agree it was 'Drummond Arms' whether Hotel or Inn  :-\

Annie

South Uist, Inverness-shire, Scotland:- Bowie, Campbell, Cumming, Currie, MacDonald, MacInnes, MacIntyre, MacKinnon, Steele, Walker

Ireland:- Cullen, Flannigan (Derry), Donahoe/Donaghue (variants) (Cork), McCrate (Tipperary), Mellon, Tol(l)and (Donegal & Tyrone)

Newcastle-on-Tyne/Durham (Northumberland):- Harrison, Jude, Kemp, Lunn, Mellon, Robson, Stirling

Kettering, Northampton:- MacKinnon

Canada:- Callaghan, MacKinnon, MacPhee

"OLD GENEALOGISTS NEVER DIE - THEY JUST LOSE THEIR CENSUS"