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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 14:46 BST (UK) »
For what its worth perhaps,after looking earlier,I'm going for a John Fitton born in Royton in 1894.All things being equal I can't find a death ordinarily for him.

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Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 15:03 BST (UK) »
For what its worth perhaps,after looking earlier,I'm going for a John Fitton born in Royton in 1894.All things being equal I can't find a death ordinarily for him.

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William Russell Jones

Sorry William - I'm not sure what you mean?
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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 15:29 BST (UK) »
For what its worth perhaps,after looking earlier,I'm going for a John Fitton born in Royton in 1894.All things being equal I can't find a death ordinarily for him.

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William Russell Jones

Sorry William - I'm not sure what you mean?

Well as has already been stated that there are a number of John Fittons from the area,it is rather a bit of a guessing game.

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 15:32 BST (UK) »
For what its worth perhaps,after looking earlier,I'm going for a John Fitton born in Royton in 1894.All things being equal I can't find a death ordinarily for him.

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William Russell Jones

Sorry William - I'm not sure what you mean?

Well as has already been stated that there are a number of John Fittons from the area,it is rather a bit of a guessing game.

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William Russell Jones.
Not really as gnorman knows that his John was born in Oldham in 1859 and has found him and his son (born 1881) in the censuses.
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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 15:36 BST (UK) »
I'm just stating the fact that as there is no birthyear given with the death in the War it could be any of a number of the John Fittons born in the area.

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Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:54 BST (UK) »
Only becomes a guessing game once all clues are checked.

2416 Pte John Fitton of Royton had a mother Martha A Fitton (Chambers() - acknowledge Rosie

22176 Pte John Fitton of the Loyal N Lancs had a brother Joseph

B/1558 Rfn John Fitton of the Rifle Brigade had a father called James

8 more with middle names (excluding two RAF men) appear on the Soldiers Effects Register and (I haven't checked them all) they usually have a next of kin.

Worth checking those first to see if the names fit the family at all?

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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 17:06 BST (UK) »
Only becomes a guessing game once all clues are checked.

2416 Pte John Fitton of Royton had a mother Martha A Fitton (Chambers() - acknowledge Rosie

22176 Pte John Fitton of the Loyal N Lancs had a brother Joseph

B/1558 Rfn John Fitton of the Rifle Brigade had a father called James

8 more with middle names (excluding two RAF men) appear on the Soldiers Effects Register and (I haven't checked them all) they usually have a next of kin.

Worth checking those first to see if the names fit the family at all?

MaxD

The one I put forward as a possibility,I'm struggling to find for certain in the 1901 Census?

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William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 19:58 BST (UK) »
wrjones

I believe the one you can't find in the 1901 is found in the 1911 with his brother Ernest and is the one identified by Rosie as having the mother Martha A Fitton later Chambers.

Guesswork (hopefully intelligent) is admitted this time but based on joining the following dots:
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1891 Joseph and Martha A Fitton have (among others) a son Ernest aged 3 weeks. Royton census.
1894 a John Fitton registered Oldham dist
1897 Joseph Henry Fitton dies Oldham age 31 (1871 has him as Joseph Hy)
1901 Blank for all
1911 Ernest Fitton aged 20 and John Fitton aged 17 are visitors to a family Dean in Royton- Census - Martha Dean was the bride of a Joseph Fitton in 1881
1915 Martha A Fitton marries Chambers

Speculation - The Dean family are related to Martha Fitton (nee Dean).  Ernest and John are Martha's sons.  Their His father died when John  was 3.

1416 Pte John Fitton (Rosie) names (1915) his mother Martha A Fitton (at that time) in his soldier's will,  When the gratuity is sent (1919) to his mother she is Chambers .

However, caveats follow - all that doesif that hangs together for folk, is perhaps identify the man referred to by Rosie all those posts ago (acknowledgements for the Effects Reg also).
It doesn't link him (although I haven't tried hard) to Luke's 1859 family in Oldham.

We need to hear from Luke regarding the dob/age query.

MaxD
I am Zoe Northeast, granddaughter of Maximilian Double.
 
It is with great difficulty I share with you that in the early hours of 07 August 2021, Maximilian passed away unexpectedly but peacefully.

With deep sadness,
Zoe



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Randle/Millington Warwicks
Sokser/Klingler Austria/Croatia

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Re: My John Fitton?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 20:12 BST (UK) »
I agree with all that Max. So I think the answer to Luke's question in the first post is  - No, it isn't your John Fitton.

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