re joseph a murphy brick wall

[rosie99]

served 40 days kicked out suffering from epilepsy ,no tattoos,place of birth st helens occupation labourer

The record mentions the tattoos that Ladyhawk has posted

[Ladyhawk]

served 40 days kicked out suffering from epilepsy ,no tattoos,place of birth st helens occupation labourer

His tattoos are on the Descriptive Report on enlistment

Jospeh Murphy age 39 years
Height 5ft 5
Distinctive marks Tattoo Sailor at hand. J m etc left arm

Info. supplied by recruit
Next of kin Amelia Murphy wife 48 Stephenson St Canning Town Essex

Then it list particulars to marriage and children,  statement of service etc……
Discharged 30 7 15 medical grounds

snap Rosie posting at same time

[John Mace]

sorry i see tatoos,checking his ag against death certificate died aged 62 in 1936 married 1896 aged 21 army record aged 39 in 1915, 1911 census he is 34 born 1876 ,1901 census aged 26.......age is all over the place

[rosie99]

The age is hardly varying at all, you should always allow around 2 yrs either way.

[chempat]

sorry i see tatoos,checking his ag against death certificate died aged 62 in 1936 married 1896 aged 21 army record aged 39 in 1915, 1911 census he is 34 born 1876 ,1901 census aged 26.......age is all over the place

died aged 62 in 1936                born 1873/1874
married 1896 aged 21               born 1874/1875
army record aged 39 in 1915     born 1875/1876
1911 census he is 34                born 1876/1877
1901 census aged 26                born 1874/1875
                 total                       born 1873/1877

[Ladyhawk]

Thoughts please on this entry as a possibility for Joseph Murphy born c1876 
father William's occupation is a labourer BUT Joseph noted as born B hm  (born Birmingham)

RG11; Piece: 3032; Folio: 107; Page: 28;
82 Devon St
William Murphy 31 South Wales occ Labourer
Jane Murphy wife 30 North Ireland
JOSEPH MURPHY son 6 (1875) B hm
Thomas MURRAY married wife’s brother 34 North Ireland occ labourer
Plus a boarder and a lodger
1881c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27N-F6ZL

Further investigations needed to establish if this might be the correct Joseph - I cannot as yet find the whereabouts of William, Jane or Joseph Murphy on 1891 census  to confirm one way of the other

I checked to see if there's a bapt. on Birmingham, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912 but didn't find anything.

Checked FreeBMD for a birth entry c1876 Warwickshire Joseph Murphy
there's this possibility Birmingham is in the registration district of Aston

Jun 1877 Aston Joseph Murphy GRO indexes shows mmn PALLETT

The only Murphy/Pallett marriage I could see
1856 Aston Thomas Murphy female name on same page Mary Ann Pallett
there are more children with mmn Pallett on GRO indexes
 
Checked FreeBMD for a William Murphy/Jane Murray marriage - nothing
there are plenty of marriages for persons named William Murphy with female name Jane
on same page 

For info. only - to keep just in case it relates
I think that Jane Murphy nee Murray's brother Thomas possibly married Alice Jackson 26 on 5th March 1865, his father Patrick occ lab.

Thomas & Alice are together again on 1891 census  RG12; Piece: 3021; Folio: 91; Page: 31 with their children Barbara & Thomas and in 1881 Alice Murray married is with her children Barbara & Thomas plus two older girls.

Will continue to look.............

[John Mace]

i have looked at the murphy`s from the birmingham area and i can see no reason to look there,
 my family have no apparent links there,i also seem to come back to william murphy born 1844 and margaret O`gorman they both died 1895/6 i think causing the children to go there own way.the names of the children seem to fit with my josephs children,just no sure how i prove that.
 

[Ladyhawk]

i have looked at the murphy`s from the birmingham area and i can see no reason to look there,
my family have no apparent links there,

i also seem to come back to william murphy born 1844 and margaret O`gorman they both died 1895/6 i think causing the children to go there own way.

the names of the children seem to fit with my josephs children,

just no sure how i prove that.

Hello again

Is this the family you are referring too on the censuses, where the father William
occupation is a Stonemason and  living in Lancashire in 1881

1891c Margaret Murphy widowed, JOSEPH occ Porter Railway, Jane
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q57G-P6Z

1881c William wife Margaret, children Anna, James, Michael, JOSEPH, Lily, Jane
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-VLWB

This appears to be the above Joseph's birth registration he has middle name John

MURPHY, JOSEPH  JOHN mmn    O'GORMAN     
1871  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 268   

MURPHY, JANE  mmn   GORMAN     
1877  M Quarter in ROCHDALE  Volume 08E  Page 33   

and the Murphy family appear to be living in Durham in 1871, son Michael was born Northumberland, anna & James born in Ireland

William wife Margaret children Anna, James & Michael born Northumberland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDZ1-S1N

MURPHY, MICHAEL   mmn    GORMAN     
1867  D Quarter in TYNEMOUTH  Volume 10B  Page 164

Edit

I've just come across a public tree on Anc*y giving these details for Lily

Elizabeth Ann "Lily" Murphy
1873–1955

Born 1 OCT 1873 • Manchester, Lancashire,
Died 1955 • Hulme, Manchester, Lancashire,
married as Elizabeth Ann Murphy 15 July 1893 • St Wilfreds RC Church, Hulme Manchester

I have just checked GRO indexes and it shows following birth registration

MURPHY, ELIZABETH  ANN  mmn   GORMAN     
1873  D Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 679

Nothing further about Joseph born c1872 Mancehster