James Melbourne born Belper ?

[bodger]

I have a James marrying Eliza Bacon, Jun. 1883 Belper. from census records i am trying to establish when he was born, 1901, Long Eaton, plate layer,b. 1859, 1911 he is in Shardlow, b1879.
Looking on Free BMD !837 to 1870, there are no James matching any of the dates
Just an aside
n the 1901 census, there is a Thomas Niland  born Ireland 1876, living with the family, discribed as a " Scavenger", begs one to question why Wilfrid had the middle name Niland
1911 cen. in this census Wilfrid is recorded as Wilfred Melbourne Nyland ?

Menage a trois or just a good friend !!
                                                        Thank You, bodger

[rosie99]

I wonder if Wilfred was the son of one of James daughters
MELBOURNE, WILFRED  NILAND  (no mothers maiden name listed on index)
1900  Dec Quarter in SHARDLOW  Volume 07B  Page 464

[rosie99]

I wonder if Wilfred was the son of one of James daughters
MELBOURNE, WILFRED  NILAND  (no mothers maiden name listed on index)
1900  Dec Quarter in SHARDLOW  Volume 07B  Page 464

Obviously Ediths 
Marriage June qtr 1903 
Melbourne    Edith       
Niland    Thomas       
Shardlow    7b   1121   

[rosie99]

Have you looked at the original copy of the 1911 for James's age    Do you have the marriage cert for James & Eliza to confirm his fathers name

[rosie99]

James & Eliza in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:46LZ-1PZ

[BumbleB]

Baptisms - Breaston, Derbyshire - 21 October 1903

Wilfred Niland Melbourne - son of James (Labourer) and Eliza of Breaston
Margaret Niland  - daughter of Thomas (Labourer) and Edith of Breaston
John James Niland - son of Thomas (Labourer) and Edith of Breaton

[rosie99]

I wonder what the birth certificate for Wilfred says        It looks as though James & Eliza could have been covering up for Edith

[BumbleB]

James in 1911 is said to be 52, married 28 years.  3 children.  Edith Melbourne has been crossed out, said to be married    Two other Melbourne surnames in the household.

[BumbleB]

Nyland family in Breaston - 1911.  Entered as Nyland, but Thomas signed as Niland, birthplace shown as Roscommon..