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Offline iolaus

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Please help Cooper/Ando
« on: Wednesday 04 October 17 16:58 BST (UK) »
I'm hopinh that writing this out may either help me see what I'm missing and also get rootschatters feedback - either to back up my thoughts, or come up with another idea which will probably be right

Trying to find out about the parents of Mary Elisabeth Cooper born Brynmawr, Breconshire in 1854 (registered Crickhowell)

Her parents are George Cooper and Mary Ann (maiden name Ando)

Her siblings (from the1891 census) births have the maiden name of Ando in the majority of cases -
Frederick (born 1880) has the mmn of Andrews - Frederick is the 5th child out of 10)
Robert (born 1894) has mmn of Audo (I'm guessing this is a transcription error)

Also in the 1891 census there is a 'father' given for Mary Ann - William Cresswell aged 75

There is a birth for a Mary Ando (no middle name) born 1854 in Crickhowell, Breconshire - according to the censuses Mary Ann was also born in Brynmawr, mothers maiden name Hawkins

However I can't find a marriage for George Cooper and Mary Ann Ando - or find Mary Ando on any censuses

But there is a marriage for George Cooper and Mary Ann A Cresswell - could this be them?  How can I prove this?  Why would she use Cresswell to marry but give maiden name of Ando on her childrens births

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Re: Please help Cooper/Ando
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 17:24 BST (UK) »
Mary could have married a Cresswell, been widowed and then married George Cooper; a copy of the marriage certificate should give the answer.
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Re: Please help Cooper/Ando
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 October 17 18:41 BST (UK) »
Link to 1891 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4TJL-2W2

Don't forget that the 75-y-old william (as a father-in-law) could also be the (second) husband of
George cooper's mother.

1881 census william (15y in 1891) is awol. who is he with?

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Re: Please help Cooper/Ando
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 October 17 23:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks both

I couldn't find William on a 1881 census

Couldnt' find any other marriages for an Ando - never mind to a Cresswell

I have found two other Ando/Hawkins children
Margaret in 1850 in Bridgwater
William in 1857 in Crickhowell (there is a death for a 6 year old William Ando in Wells in 1864)

On ancestry I found someone with the date of birth for Mary Ann A Cresswell of 24th September 1854 in Brynmawr (would fit with the Crickhowell birth for Mary Ando) and a date of marriage - so have messaged her asking if the A on the marriage cert stands for Ando

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Re: Please help Cooper/Ando
« Reply #4 on: Friday 06 October 17 05:41 BST (UK) »
Hi iolas,

This may fill in some pieces....
Robert Andow married Ann Hawkins, 1836, Bristol

Margaret Ann Ando, born 1850, baptised 1 Sept 1857, Downend Glousc, d/o Robert Ando & Ann

1871 Winterbourne Clifton Glousc
William Hawkins, head, 1808, born Glous
Mary Goodal, sister, 1805, ditto
Eliza Harrison, sister, 1812, ditto
Margaret Ando, niece, 1851, Bridgewater Somerset
Emma Ando, niece, 1870, ditto
Emma Harvombe, boarder

1861 Bath Somerset
Margaret Ando, niece, 10, born Bridgewater Somerset - unclear from census to who she belongs, but no parents.

1872, Margaret Ann Ando marries Frederick Luton in Clifton Glousc.

Robert and Ann on 1841, 1881 and 1891 census.

No help with Mary Ann sadly, but there is a marriage registered for a Mary Ann Cresswell (or a Jane Ashton) to a George Cooper in Methyr Tydfil, 2qtr, 1875, Vol 11a, page 550.

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Re: Please help Cooper/Ando
« Reply #5 on: Friday 06 October 17 09:03 BST (UK) »
Robert & Ann Ando are in Temperance St, Tormoham, Devon in 1871. He is an umbrella maker, 54 b Cannington, Somerset.  RG10/2086/81/57.

Also there (next household schedule) are a John (55) & Mary (54) Cooper, both born North Tawton, Devon - wonder whether connected to George?  Though he was born in Herefordshire according to the censuses.
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Re: Please help Cooper/Ando
« Reply #6 on: Friday 06 October 17 15:15 BST (UK) »
Just looking at William CRESSWELL

1861 Wales Census
Brynmawr, Breconshire
William Cresswell, 42, Head, Unm, Tin Smith, born Pembridge (Penkridge, Staffs?)
MARY Heath, 7, Adopted Daug, born Llanelly, Breconshire, Wales***
Ellen Evans, 34, Lodger
Susan Rogers, 44, Lodger

FreeREG has a Bapt for William, 17 Jan 1819 Penkridge to JOHN/MARY

1881 in Breconshire. Wales we have;
William Cresswell, 63, Head, Mar, Tinman, born Staffordshire
Barbara E. Cresswell, 55, Wife, Mar, born Newtown, Wales
William G. Cresswell, 4, Son, born Breconshire, Wales******

**** so is this William G Cooper from 1891 Census??

Cant find William in 1871 Census or a Marriage to Barbara.

Mary ANDO;
ANDO, MARY, Mothers mn     HAWKINS
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Re: Please help Cooper/Ando
« Reply #7 on: Friday 06 October 17 15:57 BST (UK) »
This is the 1871 for Will Cresswell, looks like she was his adopted child going by info found in 1861 by Trish.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5B6-MDP

Possible marriage

Marriages Jun Q 1863  same page
CRESWELL    William        Bedwelty    11a   159
Evans    Ellen        Bedwelty    11a   159    

Possible death, but states Age 50

Dec Q 1885 
CRESSWELL   Ellen    50    Crickhowell    11b   86   

1851 for William in Brecon, same address as 1861, unmarried lodger. 


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Re: Please help Cooper/Ando
« Reply #8 on: Friday 06 October 17 22:41 BST (UK) »
Thank you, you are all stars

I've found Robert and Ann ANDOO on the 1841 census
with them are two children
Edward - born 1841 (it's on the index as AND? and I can't manage to bring it up on the gro index - vol 11 page 289 if any of you can find it to check mothers maiden name)
Eliza - born 1838 - registered as Eliza Jane HANDO - mmn Hawkins

Trish your idea of Mary Heath being Mary Ann Ando could be right, and the William G being transcribed as son, rather than grandson and the assumption of the surname does seem

I don't think the neighours are related to George - his parents are Robert and Hannah (from Hereford as well)

Jomcd - Emma Ando born 1870 is illegitamate - maybe Margarets daughter looking at their ages - and William Hawkins greatniece

Seems strange that an unmarried man adopts a child, but it all seems to add up