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Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« on: Saturday 07 October 17 09:59 BST (UK) »
Hi and thanks for any thoughts in advance!

I have been looking for confirmation of John Welsh being buried at Evergreens Cemetery.  He died 3 April 1900 and was buried 8 April.  Age 44.  His birth place was Scotland. Parents are Janet and John Welsh living in Scotland.  I believe he was married but no name is known. He lived at 86 57th Street Brooklyn, so I am assuming this is where he is buried.  Unfortunately I have had no reply from Evergreens, but expect they get lots of vague queries like this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Welsh: Kilbarchan;Canada; New Zealand
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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 October 17 10:27 BST (UK) »
What is your last sighting of John  ??? When did John immigrate to the USA  ???

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WFW-75B

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 07 October 17 10:43 BST (UK) »
Thanks for such a quick reply.  My last confirmed record is 1st march 1882 when he served on the ship Indus, in England as a blacksmith.  His date of birth is 21 January 1856 (confirmed with SRB).  I have no firm link to the USA but everything on the record you found seems to fit.
Any further thoughts would be welcome.
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Welsh: Kilbarchan;Canada; New Zealand
MacArthur:North Knapdale
 Weckesser: Germany, Netherands, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia
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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 07 October 17 13:49 BST (UK) »
The transcription of his death certificate indicates he was buried at Evergreens.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WFW-75B 

Not all cemeteries are responsive to e-mail.  I would think a phone call during business hours might be more effective.  Otherwise, you could try adding him to www.findagrave.com and request a photo from a volunteer.  It could take years to get a photo, but it has worked for me at times. 

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 07 October 17 14:04 BST (UK) »
Have you traced the others siblings  ???  Is this the family in 1871 13 Baris Brae Fort Govan Lanarkshire  ???

John Welch   30 Ship Carpenter.
Janet Welch   34
John Welch   13 William Welch   10
George Welch   8 Elizabeth Welch   6
Margaret Welch   3 Hugh Welch   1

Same family appear 47 Harrison Street Barrow In Furness 1881 - perhaps moved for work in the ship yards  ???

John Welch   46  Janet Welch   44
William Welch   20 George Welch   18
Elizabeth Welch   16 Hugh Welch   11
Margaret Welch   13 Janet Welch   8
Jasmine Welch   4 Emma Welch   2 David Welch   
Catherine Oswald   62
Andrew Oswald   24

Have you checked out the 1892 New York State Census for John   ???

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1529100

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 07 October 17 16:06 BST (UK) »
Here's what I'm seeing

John's wife was Helen Simpson. John died when Helen was pregnant with their son John.

In the 1900 census Helen and daughter Agnes are listed at 86 57th st in Brooklyn, same as John's death record. Helen is a widow. Helen's name was mis transcribed in the transcription.

1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSFF-XCS

Son John was born Nov. 1900.

Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W45-DPN

1905 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MK95-9D8

1910 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5S9-6JF

John Jr dies in 1918. Buried in Evergreen Cemetery
Death Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WNT-QR6

1920 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MJ5W-YMK

1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4N5-ZKJ

1940 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQR4-86N

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Helen dies in 1941. Buried in Evergreen Cemetery

Death record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WPR-6K6

Obit: http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kud/

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 07 October 17 16:13 BST (UK) »
This appears to be the marriage record for John & Helen/Ellen. Names & ages matches.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZ2Q-LPP

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 07 October 17 16:55 BST (UK) »
Marriage of Agnes Welsh - 17 October 1923 -

Longuemare   Dana   Oct 17   1923   13592   Kings

http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/brides.php

Death of Agnes Longuemare - 24 March 1982 - March 1984

Last Residence 11944 Greenport, Suffolk, New York.

WW1 Draft - Dana Longuemare

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XCM4-9KL?i=1753&cc=1861144

Dana Longuemare - 1880 - 3 November 1950 - Brooklyn, New York.
Cert 20820

1925 Brooklyn Kings NY

Danna Longuemare   44 Real Estate Broker.
Agnus Fonguemare   33
Helen Welsh   69

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KS3Q-LQC

Few references to Dada Longuemare on http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

and https://www.newspapers.com/search/#lnd=1&query=dana+longuemare&t=1890

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 07 October 17 18:17 BST (UK) »
In the 1910 census there is an Alexander Welsh listed in the household as a border. He is actually Helen's nephew (her husband John's brother, Alexander's son)

1910 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5S9-6JV

He died in 1932. His death record  list his parents as Alexander & Marion Welsh. From this I assume John Welsh b.1856 Scotland must of had a brother Alexander.

Death Record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WKH-JRM

Alexander's will in 1932 left his estate to his cousin Agnes Longuemare

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kuf/

Alexander's obit in 1932 states he was the nephew of Helen Welsh

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kug/

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These records should help to attach John Welsh and his brother Alexander to a famliy in Scotland.