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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 07 October 17 18:23 BST (UK) »
Just in case your interested in the Simpson family - this looks like the parents and siblings of Helen/Ellen - Johns wife.

3 Newmonthill St Forfar Angus 1871

Charles Simpson 46 and Agnes Simpson   44
Hellen Simpson   15
John Simpson   12
Isabel Simpson   7
Margaret Jean Simpson 4 marries Alexander Thompson Heron - Manhattan 26 November 1890
Richard Simpson   1

Margaret's marriage - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F638-JJ3

Alexander Heron (Blacksmith)  signs the naturalization form for Alexander Welch born 12 April 1874   on 12 March 1896.
Alexander Welch arrived in New York 25 September 1890

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVTW-TXXF

The father Charles Simpson passed away 7 November 1878 - 3 Newmonthill, Forfar, Angus, Scotland.
and mother Agnes nee Nichol Simpson passed away 15 May 1887 - 3 Newmonthill, Forfar, Angus,


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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 07 October 17 18:27 BST (UK) »
Helen/Ellen's sister Margaret - Douglass Street Brooklyn Ward 9, Kings, New York 1910

Alex Heron   55 and Margaret Heron   43
Helen Heron   18

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5CG-TQ4

Helen Simpson Heron - 22 October 1891 Manhattan, New York. Certificate Number 38890

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FDTG-V6P

1900 Douglass Street Brooklyn Ward 9, Kings, New York.

Alexander Heron 44 Blacksmith. Imm 1884.
Margret Heron   22
Helen Heron   8

Helen Simpson Heron in 1940 - Lodger in Brooklyn

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KQ98-2NP

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 07 October 17 21:00 BST (UK) »
New York, State Census, 1905 - Brooklyn NY - possible wife of Alexander Welsh.

Elizabeth Buchanan   44 Maud Buchanan   24
James Buchanan   16William Buchanan   13
Christina Buchanan   10 Roy Buchanan   8
Clarence Buchanan   5
Lizzie Welsh 22   Alexander Welsh 31

in 1910 Lizzie is Elizabeth Buchanan and single.

Robert Buchanan 52
Eliza Buchanan   49
Elizabeth Buchanan   28 Born Scotland. Single. Works Tin Factory.
William Buchanan 18
Tennie Buchanan 15
Roy Buchanan   13
Clarence Buchanan   10

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M5M8-CL4

Prospect Avenue Brooklyn Ward 22, Kings, New York. 1900 (Lizzie unmarried)

Robert Buchannan   42 Elisabeth Buchannan   39
Maud Buchannan   19 Lizzie Buchannan   17
James Buchannan   12 William Buchannan   8
Christina Buchannan   5 Robert Buchannan   2

1915 Census New York Kings - shows Alexander Welsh aged 41 years  - Fireman boarding Ella Conlan aged 42 years

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K9R8-HWN

1920 Census shows Alexander Welsh ( guard - factory)  in the household of Ella Corman.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RXT-JS6?i=62&cc=1488411

1930 Census shows Alexander Welsh (labourer - Odd Job Man) in the household of Ella Colman

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4JM-GQC



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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 07 October 17 21:08 BST (UK) »
John A Welsh death 19 October 1904 Brooklyn NY - father Alexander Welsh - Mother Elizabeth Buchanan
Burial Evergreen Cemetery 18 October 1904

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WFN-461

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 07 October 17 21:18 BST (UK) »
Alexander Welsh's WWI draft registration list nearest relative as Ellen Welsh and he he was blacksmiths helper.

WWI Draft: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KXY8-Y72

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 07 October 17 22:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Sandra, RJ137 and Shellyesq

what awesome work you have done and it is much appreciated.  I have spent the morning (NZ) feeling sure the link was right but there was a nagging doubt as I had been looking at some of the same names but couldn't link.  Anyway problem solved I think thanks to the link to Alexander, the fact he was a boarder and his naturalization which provided a DOB of 12 April 1874. 
Yes John did have a number of siblings creating nephews for Helen.  The twist I now feel certain about is that John's sister Marion married Robert Watters in Scotland in 1874.  They had a baby not long after (12 April 1874) and called him Alexander.  Marion died on 27 January 1876 of Puperal Mania in Scotland.  I have not found a possible baby birth/death for this event.  Alexander is recorded as being with his grandparents in the Scotland Census of 1881 - Janet Smith (MS Laird) & John Welsh (blacksmith).  Alexander's father has completely vanished as far as I can see, so assuming rightly or wrongly Alexander took his mother's surname.
Would be happy to be proved wrong (maybe!) and would welcome the thoughts of you who are all more experienced than me.

Thanks again  :) 
Welsh: Kilbarchan;Canada; New Zealand
MacArthur:North Knapdale
 Weckesser: Germany, Netherands, South Africa, New Zealand, Australia
O'Brien: Australia, New Zealand

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 07 October 17 23:22 BST (UK) »
You are very welcome. Glad I was able to help and make the connection for you.

I agree with your thought process and it all makes sense. I assume this is the birth record referred too.

Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F73R-9BL

After finding Alexander's DOB I tried to see if I could find a birth for a Alexander Welsh with that date, but couldn't. Now I know why!! :)

Beside the DOB matching the address (86 57th Street Brooklyn) on the Naturalization Card matches previous known information about John & Helen Welsh.

Naturalization: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVTW-TXXF

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 08 October 17 00:26 BST (UK) »
Great result blacksmithy, so pleased your mystery is solved - we love to break down brick walls.
A few small snippets on Robert Watters - Using credits for Scotlands People - Robert Watters (railway carter and widow) remarried again 24 November 1876 - to Annie Mills (domestic and spinster) Roberts father listed as Alexander Watters (deceased) mother Janet m/s Patterson (those parents tally with the same details as on Roberts marriage to Marion Welsh)
Annie's father was William Mills (deceased) and mother Margaret Mills (m/s Hamilton)

Robert appears on the 1901 census Reid's Bldgs Kerse Rd 8 Falkirk Scotland.
Parish: Falkirk ED: 8C Page 119 Line 13

Robert Watters   49 Carter (general)
Annie Watters   46   
Daughter Watters14  William Watters   11
Marion Watters   9 Jeanie Watters   7
James Johnstone 24 Nephew.

1861 census Union Street Kirkintilloch, Dumbartonshire

Alexander Watters   55
Janet N Watters   51
Marion Watters   24
James Watters   15
Ann Watters   12
Robert Watters   9
John Paterson   4 Nephew.
Peter Kay   32 Son-in-law.

Peter had married Marion Watters 7 December 1860 Kirkintilloch,Dunbarton,Scotland.

Robert transcribed as Baker in 1871 with parents - Drumfrochar Rd 55 Greenock Renfrewshire.

Alexander Baker 64
Janet Baker   60
Robert Baker   19
John Paterson   14

Father Alexander passed away 1875

WATTERS ALEXANDER - aged 70 - 1875 - 487/ 78 - Polmont

Robert passed away 1913

WATTERS ROBERT - aged 60 - 1913 - 479/ 126 - Falkirk

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Re: Evergreens Cemetery Brooklyn
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 08 October 17 00:40 BST (UK) »
Interestingly William Watters (son of Robert Watters and Annie Mills ) born 1 April 1889   passed away 4 July 1943 415 Marlborough Road Brooklyn, Kings, New York.
William was a proof reader for the N.Y.Times.  William is also buried at Evergreen Cemetery.
Wonder if the half-brothers met in the USA  ???

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WTR-RH1

1930 census shows William East 31st St Brooklyn Kings NY

William Watters   41 Born Scotland. Imm 1925. Printer. Newspaper. AL.
Annie Watters   36 Born Scotland.
Robert Watters   7 Born Scotland.
Margaret Watters 5

William Watters married Annie Smith Pollock  - 1922 - 644/2 29 - Camlachie Scotland.

Robert Watters born 23 March 1923 Glasgow Scotland  - Passed away 27 November 2000
William Watters and Mother Anne S Pollock.
Appears on US Veterans Gravesite - Bethlehem Cemetery Delmar, NY 12054
Last Residence 11415 Jamaica, Queens, New York.

Robert listed Daily Times obituary Index -

WATTERS, Robert -  77 years - Glasgow SCT - Albany NY - Daily Gazette - 2000-11-29; kkg

http://obits.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/obit.cgi?Surname=WATTERS%2C%20Robert&type=Keyword

415 Marlborough Road. Brooklyn. NY - 5724045  Annie Watters was naturalized 4 November 1943 - US Dist Court Brooklyn - Petition Number  378740 -
resides - 381 E 21 st St BK.

WW1 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3XY-2TT

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