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Re: William Thomas's Parents
« Reply #9 on: Monday 09 October 17 19:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks Roger you might have something with the William Arthur birth. In the Aberdaron Baptism Register there are two Elizabeths born to Arthur and Jane Thomas the first I am guessing died in infancy and second was baptised  in 1800. It could be since William's father was unknown he was given his Grandfather's surname and became William Thomas. I will dig a bit deeper.

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: William Thomas's Parents
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 15:58 BST (UK) »
I believe I have found Elizabeth in the 1841 Census  1388/1/46/5. She is living with her mother and sister-in-law at Pen y bron, Aberdaron.
Jane Thomas 75
Eleanor Thomas 50
Elizabeth Thomas 40
It would appear that Elizabeth has dropped her patronymic second name and adopted a conventional surname which makes a stronger case that her son would also have the same surname.
It is possible that at his wedding in 1843 William made up the name of his father to avoid the stigma of being labeled illegitimate again.
I must thank Despair again for finding the baptism record something which I would not of picked up on until he pointed it out.
There is a further mystery in that the baptism and marriage records for the family are in Yffor.com, I cannot find their burial records even though Yffor.com has transcribed the Aberdaron Burial Register from 1753 to 1999. One record I would of thought would be easy to find is Elizabeth's father Arthur Thomas who was born in 1768 and presumably died before the 1841 Census. Was there another graveyard being used in Aberdaron  in the early 19th Century?

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: William Thomas's Parents
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 16:43 BST (UK) »
Interesting,and not data I thought of or looked for.I'll see if I can find anything to help solve the latest mystery!As an aside I don't suppose Arthur Thomas was the son of a Thomas William?

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Roger

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Re: William Thomas's Parents
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 16:47 BST (UK) »
Just answered my own question-baptism 1768,Aberdaron,father Thomas Robert.

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Re: William Thomas's Parents
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 19:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Roger
Arthur's father was Thomas Roberts
455  18/12/1768  Arthur  Thomas  Elizabeth  Roberts  Tyn y Nant  Carrier
Here is Arthur's wife's baptism record.
242  05/09/1762  Jane  Henry J  Jane  Roger  Cwm y Ci  Carrier

As you can see there are no Williams, could it be a clue to the real name of William's father? Finding the right one among all the Williams in Wales at the time would be like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack. Both fathers are carriers which I presume was a carter.

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Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: William Thomas's Parents
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 11 October 17 23:22 BST (UK) »
in looking for deaths I came across the GRO record for Elizabeth Arthur aged 42  in 1837,Pwllheli Union,and wondered who she might be given your 1841 census data.

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Re: William Thomas's Parents
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 12 October 17 08:47 BST (UK) »
At the moment I do not know but more confusing is I have found this grouping which indicates that I jumped to the wrong assumption with reference to the three ladies in the 1841 Census.
Aberdaron Burial Register
 526  Elizabeth  Arthur  Penrhynydyn  08/07/1837  39  David Lewis Curate   
449  Ann  Thomas  Penrhynydyn  29/04/1834  2m  David Lewis Curate   
745  Jane  Parry  Penrhynydyn  31/03/1848  87  John Evans Vicar 
 Although the age of Elizabeth doesn't exactly tally it looks like her. Is the 2 month old baby hers? It would seem that Arthur's wife retained her pre-marriage name which was common at the time.
Once again Welsh Patronymics can be very confusing! I will try and investigate further.

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Glyn
Jones - Penmachno/Blaenau Ffestiniog/Capel Garmon
Thomas - Abererch/Porthmadog
Evans - Llangelynin/Llanaelhaern
Jones - Pwllheli/Abererch
Brammer - Lincolnshire/Nottinghamshire
Robb - London/Scotland

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Re: William Thomas's Parents
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 12 October 17 09:34 BST (UK) »
I can only believe it is the same Elizabeth Arthur in both records,with an error in the age for one of them,probably the GRO.Given the scarcity of the name -same name,same quarter of the same year,same district seems too much of a coincidence.

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Roger