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Offline BronwenS

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Any help with this appreciated.  Not sure what else to do.

Her birth certificate says her parents were John Brock and Margaret King
Her death certificate says her husband was John Summers a pit headman who lived at the same address at which she died, BUT her parents were James Brock, hand loom weaver & Marjory Brock previously Wright previously Fletcher

Jane King Brock wife of John Summers, mother of Mark Summers
B:1840 Aug 6th b Aug 30th, Haddington, Glasgow (register to hand)
M:1859 June 10th Hamilton, Lanarkshire (register to hand)   
D:1916 aged 78 at 87 Maryfield, Low water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, husband John Summers late pit headman.  Present John Summers widower, she died of senile decay which she had for 3 months (register to hand)
Children 7
1880 March 31st Marjory Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (silk weaver at 11 1871 census)
1862 May 16th Isabella Edmonston Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland general servant at 18)
1864 July 12th Mark Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshrie, Scotland (register to hand)
1867-1901 July 7th Elizabeth Reid Summers (Shaw) Glasgow St John, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  D Huddersfield, Yorkshire, England (occupation farmer) factory girl at 13 m James Anderson 5 children: 1891-1950 Jeanie Brock Anderson; 1893 John Summers Anderson; 1896 Jessie Twaddle Summers Anderson; 1898 Isabella Summers Anderson; 1901 Elizabeth Reid Anderson.
1869 Sept 30th James Brock Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1871 Sept 18th John Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1873 Oct 21st James Brock Summers, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Census
1841 Cadzow Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire with her parents and siblings
1861 Tambourer at 20, living at John Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (census to hand)

John Summers husband of Jane Brock
B:1832 May 17th Hamilton, Lanarkshire (register to hand)
M:1859 June 10th Hamilton, Lanarkshire (register to hand)
D:1918 Nov 16th, aged 83, 87 Low Water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, William Russell son-in-law present lived at 62 Low water (register to hand)
Census
1851 living with parents hand loom weaver aged 11
1861 Hand loom cotton weaver, John Street, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1871 13 Quarry Rd, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland.  Jane is 32, children Marjory 11, Isabella 8, Mark 6, Elizabeth, 3, James 1 (census to hand)
1874 7 Portland Place, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (death of father, Mark)
1881 Pit headman, 5 Mansfield, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland - Robert Brock brother-in-law a painter was living with John and Jane (Brock) Summers (census to hand)
1891 Coal Pit headman, 87 Maryfield, Low Water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1901 Mansfield cottages, Low Water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
1911 Pit headman in colliery, 87 Maryfield Low Water, Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland (census to hand)


thanks Bronwen Summers, Christchurch, New Zealand


Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: Who were Jane King Brock's parents birth register and death register differ
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 October 17 08:03 BST (UK) »
id go with the birth certificate, given that her parents were around to confirm/deny the facts.

does she have any siblings to do a comparison on parents at birth/marriage/death?

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Re: Who were Jane King Brock's parents birth register and death register differ
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 October 17 08:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks for that, I do indeed have names for siblings and hadn't thought to check their death certificates.  Many  thanks.

Bronwen
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: Who were Jane King Brock's parents birth register and death register differ
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 October 17 08:42 BST (UK) »
id go with the birth certificate, given that her parents were around to confirm/deny the facts.

does she have any siblings to do a comparison on parents at birth/marriage/death?



I wonder why the informant gave the wrong information about her parents though?  What does her marriage certificate say, as the only other solution would be that you have the wrong marriage/children.


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Re: Who were Jane King Brock's parents birth register and death register differ
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 October 17 09:19 BST (UK) »
The birth information is not from a birth certificate. It is from the OPR's,many of which have not survived. I would,therefore, be more inclined  to go with the information on the death cert. As suggested above the best thing to do is to obtain the 1859 marriage cert.

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Re: Who were Jane King Brock's parents birth register and death register differ
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 October 17 09:26 BST (UK) »
Many thanks to you all, I have  the  wrong birth certificate somehow.  Her parents were
James Brock cotton weaver
Marjory Brock maiden name fletcher
I did  wonder  when I saw that the eldest daughter's name was Marjory.

Onwards.
Bronwen
Campbell, McKenzie, Ross, MacKay, Munro, Sutherland all of Ross & Comarty
Barry, Gibson, Watson, Summers, Edmonstone, Brock, McCartney all of Glasgow and environs
Erskine, Fletcher of Edinburgh

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Re: Who were Jane King Brock's parents birth register and death register differ
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 October 17 09:42 BST (UK) »
A Marjory Brock or Fletcher died in Hamilton in 1872 age 72. Also possible marriage between James Brock and Menie Fletcher 1832 in Hamilton.
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Clotworthy, McMahon, Saunderson, Culley (Ireland & Scotland)
Weatherall, Greer (Ireland & Scotland)
Hamilton, Johnston, Dawson, Rennie, Wright (Clackmannanshire)

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Re: Who were Jane King Brock's parents birth register and death register differ
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 October 17 09:53 BST (UK) »
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Who were Jane King Brock's parents birth register and death register differ
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 October 17 10:04 BST (UK) »
Think that Jane has been transcribed as Jean in the 1841 census - likely parents transcribed as James Brock and Meady Fletcher.1851 she is with parents in Hamilton -mother here transcribed as Mary (note it says she  was born in Edinburgh).1861 mother transcribed as Margaret and 1871, now a widow , she is showing as Margary.

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Dent (Haltwhistle and Sacriston), Bell and Jetson (Haltwhistle), Postle, Ward, Longstaff, Purvis, Manners, Parnaby and Hardy (Co. Durham), Kennedy and McRobert (Banffshire), Reid(Bathgate), Watson (Wemyss), Graham (Libberton), Sandilands (Carmichael), Munro (Dingwall)