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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:34 BST (UK) »
"Annie (1885)  born Monmouth.  Again, there is a record of an 'Annie Harris' born 1886 in Newport Monmouthshire vol 11a p245.  Again I cannot be sure if this is the correct ancestor or not as mother's maiden name is not given."

From https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp, there were two Annie Harris registrations in Newport in 1886, one in Jun Q mmn Davies and the other in Dec Q mmn Symonds.  The one on p245 that you quoted is the June registration.
From the same site, the William Henry has mmn Chivers
Perrins - Manchester and Staffs
Honan - Manchester and Ireland
Hogg - Manchester 19 cent
Anderson - Newcastle mid 19 cent
Boullen - London then Carlisle then Manchester
Comer - Manchester and Galway

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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:38 BST (UK) »
just found some more baptisms but in Chepstow. All  children of George & Eliza, James, Mary, Charles baptised on 13 Sept 1871 in the Union Workhouse, noted as from Shirenewton
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:46 BST (UK) »
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20 Dec 1881 Edwin Harris, labourer, no father noted & Elizabeth Stoneham, father George, labourer, witnesses Emily Stoneham ad Thomas Harris.

That's a good find as it shows Emily and Thomas weren't married in 1881.
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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #21 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:48 BST (UK) »
I'm afraid it looks as if we are looking at a couple who never married! There are no more Harris/Stoneham marriages until 1910.
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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #22 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:55 BST (UK) »
A tree on Ancestry has the Edwin who married Elizabeth Stoneham and they give his father as Selvanns Harris birth 1840 Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales, mother Ellen. Brother Thomas born 1855 Newport.
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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 09 October 17 22:05 BST (UK) »
on the register for Edwin's marriage, George Stoneham's name had been written in the space for the father of Edwin. It is crossed out, but no other name written in.

Emily was the only one to sign the register, the others all marked. 
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #24 on: Monday 09 October 17 22:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks so much Osprey, this is the record I have of Thomas being in Monmouthshire at all! I had more or less decided they never married.  I also noted that 'Emily' was shown on the 1881 census as a domestic servant' out of position/post.  I know that when girls got pregnant in service they were often dismissed and I wondered if perhaps this was the case.  However, it still leaves several gaps for me to fill.  You are all so helpful!  So glad I joined this site!

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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #25 on: Monday 09 October 17 22:44 BST (UK) »
 I was Just checking this line of reasoning out Osprey.  On thinking about it, I remembered that I too have the father of Edwin noted as Selvanns as noted by 'groom' (Thanks groom) And he has a brother Thomas Harris. So, it is highly likely to have been his brother who witnessed the marriage of Elizabeth and Edwin.  In searching today, I have discovered
another Thomas Harris on the 1891 census who is  aged 36 and lives with his father aged 81 also Thomas Harris and a widower.   He was born in Shirenewton.  However, I was always led to believe my Great- Grandfather came from Honiton, as shown on all the latter census documents and as told to me by my Grandfather too.

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Re: Is Harris my geat-grandfather's real surname?
« Reply #26 on: Monday 09 October 17 22:49 BST (UK) »
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Matthew Henry, born Ardwick Manchester

Is this the answer?

WAITE, MATTHEW  HENRY    mmn STONEHAM     
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 744 
MORGAN: Glamorgan, Durham, Ohio. DAVIS/DAVIES/DAVID: Glamorgan, Ohio.  GIBSON: Leicestershire, Durham, North Yorkshire.  RAIN/RAINE: Cumberland.  TAYLOR: North Yorks. BOURDAS: North Yorks. JEFFREYS: Worcestershire & Northumberland. FORBES: Berwickshire, CHEESMOND: Durham/Northumberland. WINTER: Durham/Northumberland. SNOWBALL: Durham.