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Brick wall help needed please
« on: Monday 09 October 17 20:58 BST (UK) »
I am researching Josiah Darke (born 1813 in Bitton Gloucester) who married Ann Wells (sometimes recorded as Wills) in 1846 in East Teignmouth.  Ann Wells/Wills was the daughter of John Wells/Wills and Frances Newman - she was born in Teignmouth in 1820. I have her parents marriage details and her baptism details.  In 1846 there was a marriage for Ann but the groom appears to be recorded as Jonus Dark !  I have all census returns from 1851 for Josiah Darke but cannot find the 1841.   I have a subscription for Find My Past  but the 1841 census for Josiah Darke (or possibly Dark) doesn't seem to  be there. As his working life was connected with railways I think he may have been in Devon during 1840's building the Great Western Railway - and presumably met Ann there.  If anyone has access to the 1841 census I would be really grateful if they could locate Josiah Darke (possibly listed as Dark)
Many, many thanks in advance
Jenn Morgon

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Re: Brick wall help needed please
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:07 BST (UK) »
The marriage was 31 May 1846 at Chudleigh Parish Church, after registrar's certificate.

Jonas Dark, full age, bachelor, farm labourer of Dawlish.  Father: Samuel Dark, labourer.
Ann Wills, full age, spinster, of Dawlish.  Father: John Wills, ship's carpenter.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Brick wall help needed please
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:15 BST (UK) »
Brilliant help finding the marriage details.  Where did you find them ?  Even stranger now as Josiah's father was definitely called Samuel and he was a labourer in Bitton near Bristol.  Ann Wills father was called John but not sure that Jonus is Josiah !!  Date of marriage ties in with birth of first child who is registered with the father's name of Darke and mothers of Wells. 
Many thanks for finding the marriage details - it will certainly help - even if it rules out this particular marriage
Thank you again
Jenn

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Re: Brick wall help needed please
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:16 BST (UK) »
Hi,

What was Josiah's occupation? I ask as there is the following on FindMyPast:


Jefferis Hill, Hamlet of Hanham, Bitton, Gloucestershire (HO107/361/15/9/13)

Josiah Dark  Age 30  Stonecutter  Born Gloucestershire
Sarah Dark  Age 35  Born Gloucestershire
Eliza Dark  Age 6  Born Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Dark  Age 2  Born Gloucestershire

Did he have an earlier marriage?

I can not see any other Josiah Darke/Dark that fits.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards

David
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Re: Brick wall help needed please
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:18 BST (UK) »
Josiah Darke was baptised (aged 2 months) on 14 Nov 1813 at Bitton.

Parents: Samuel (a labourer) and Jenny, of Hanham.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Brick wall help needed please
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:20 BST (UK) »
You can see the 1846 marriage for yourself on Findmypast.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Brick wall help needed please
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:21 BST (UK) »
Josiah Darke in 1851 is back in Hanham working as a railway labourer.  His wife is called Ann and she was born in Teignmouth.  Two children - also born in Teignmouth,. 

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:25 BST (UK) »
Hi,

What was Josiah's occupation? I ask as there is the following on FindMyPast:


Jefferis Hill, Hamlet of Hanham, Bitton, Gloucestershire (HO107/361/15/9/13)

Josiah Dark  Age 30  Stonecutter  Born Gloucestershire
Sarah Dark  Age 35  Born Gloucestershire
Eliza Dark  Age 6  Born Gloucestershire
Elizabeth Dark  Age 2  Born Gloucestershire

Did he have an earlier marriage?

I can not see any other Josiah Darke/Dark that fits.

Hope this helps.

Kind regards

David

Caroline Dark was baptised at Bitton on 24 Oct 1841.

Parents: Josiah (a mason) and Sarah, of Jefferis Hill.

Birth reg of Caroline Dark mmn Fox, Dec qtr 1841 Keynsham.

She was buried at Bitton on 8 Oct 1843, aged 2.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Brick wall help needed please
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 October 17 21:33 BST (UK) »
I see that Josiah and Sarah are indeed a different couple - still in Bitton in 1851 when he is 39.

HO107/1944/127/20
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)