Shornecliffe Camp records

[jajaja]

My ancestor Sarah Adeline Jones was born at Shornecliffe Camp, Cheriton, Kent, in 1866. Her father was a soldier (I don't know what regiment). I am unable to find any record of her birth in the England births register. Her mother was Mary Belinda Jones. I've tried British Nationals Armed Forces Births 1761-2005 but nothing comes up.  I am at a bit of a loss now so any advice would be very welcome. Thanks!

[Christine53]

I can't see her in the Armed Forces births , but there is this registration in Elham , which is the right District :

3Q 1866 Elham 2a 784 Sarah A Jones

Checking this on GRO gives her name as Sarah Adelaide Jones , mother's name Murphy.

[Christine53]

I think your Sarah Adeline married John Henry Grace in Fermoy in 1884 ? Her mother , Mary Belinda jones is on the 1901 census with the Grace family, born about 1841 in Clononlly, Ireland ?
If the Elham birth is the right one Sarah's mother was Mary Belinda Murphy. This may be her marriage :

Mary Belinda Murphy and William Jones , Fermoy 1865 v19 p377

[jajaja]

I think your Sarah Adeline married John Henry Grace in Fermoy in 1884 ? Her mother , Mary Belinda jones is on the 1901 census with the Grace family, born about 1841 in Clononlly, Ireland ?
If the Elham birth is the right one Sarah's mother was Mary Belinda Murphy. This may be her marriage :

Mary Belinda Murphy and William Jones , Fermoy 1865 v19 p377

Thank you very much - yes, you have the right people, and Mary would have married in Fermoy in about 1865.  I would really appreciate knowing where you found this information - I am fairly new to this and must be searching in the wrong places. I know from other info that William Jones was a soldier, but have no idea which regiment, and I would love to find more info about him.

[Christine53]

The birth for Sarah A Jones in 1866 is listed in the England & Wales Index. You can check the details on the GRO website which gives the mother's maiden name:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
( You need to register and then checking the index is free ).

I presume you already have the 1901 census ? It's available on all the pay sites or free on familysearch : https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X953-2VY

I found the Mary Belinda Murphy marriage on a pay site but you can search the irish genealogy site for free:https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ . You just have to register to search. Sometimes you are able to see the certificate but in this case I couldn't. If you order a copy it should help you find out a bit more. There may be a service record for William Jones but you really need a rough idea of birthplace and date to distinguish him from the many soldiers with that name.

Hope this helps.

[MaxD]

Pretty tenuous but the only regiment I can find that was in Fermoy in mid 1865 and then Shornecliffe in mid 1866 was the 18th Regiment of Foot.  No records though for a William Jones of the 18th at the right time - not surprising as records were routinely disposed of back in the day.

MaxD

[Maiden Stone]

Hello jajaja. I have nothing to add to your genealogical research. However, the middle name of your ancestor caught my eye. Adeline is a character in a BBC Radio 4 drama serial called "Home Front" set in Folkestone during WW1. Her son is a professional soldier, training at Shornecliffe Camp at the beginning of the war. I'd never come across the name Adeline before. Adeline in the drama serial was born late 1860s-early 1870s. I wonder if the person choosing characters' names saw your ancestor's birth or baptism record. Adeline is a distinctive character. She's an artist. Her son was born out of wedlock. She was sent to an asylum for 20 years and her son was told his mother was dead.

[jajaja]

Thank you very much, Christine53, this is really useful information.

The birth for Sarah A Jones in 1866 is listed in the England & Wales Index. You can check the details on the GRO website which gives the mother's maiden name:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
( You need to register and then checking the index is free ).

I presume you already have the 1901 census ? It's available on all the pay sites or free on familysearch : https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X953-2VY

I found the Mary Belinda Murphy marriage on a pay site but you can search the irish genealogy site for free:https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ . You just have to register to search. Sometimes you are able to see the certificate but in this case I couldn't. If you order a copy it should help you find out a bit more. There may be a service record for William Jones but you really need a rough idea of birthplace and date to distinguish him from the many soldiers with that name.

Hope this helps.

[jajaja]

Hmmmm.... I'll look up their movements and see if it links with events later in her timeline.

Pretty tenuous but the only regiment I can find that was in Fermoy in mid 1865 and then Shornecliffe in mid 1866 was the 18th Regiment of Foot.  No records though for a William Jones of the 18th at the right time - not surprising as records were routinely disposed of back in the day.

MaxD