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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 11:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Jen
English marriage certificates have never named both parents.  After mid 1837 they should give fathers details.  Witnesses can sometimes be parents but would not refer to them as such.  Sorry I don't have access to Vernham Deans marriage registers to look for you.

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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 13:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Rosie,  Thankyou for clarification of information on English marriage certificates.  In the
               absence of parents' names the witnesses could be of interest, siblings perhaps.  I'm
               always hopeful ;D

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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 13:13 BST (UK) »
Hopefully someone will read this who has access to the marriage record  :)
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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 13:28 BST (UK) »
Before the onset of Civil Registration (and thus Marriage Certificates) on 1st July 1837, the marriage entry in a Parish Record did not record father's names.

There is an example here:
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/File:England_Church_of_England_Parish_Register_Marriage_1747_to_1837.jpg
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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 22:02 BST (UK) »
Hi KGarrad,   Thanks for description and example of English marriage certificate, I will note this
                    for future reference.


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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 22:43 BST (UK) »
That was an example of a Marriage entry from a Parish Register, of the kind used from 1874 to 1837!

It was NOT a Marriage Certificate! ;D

Certificates came into being from 1st July 1837 - and from that date the Parish Register entry contained the same information as the Marriage Certificate.

It's a subtle, but important, difference.
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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 25 October 17 01:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Ken,  Of course it was a Parish Record, I did realize that but why I wrote "marriage certificate"
             I don't know! ???   Put it down to lack of sleep, with the onset of Spring here the
             Kookaburras "laugh" in a gum tree in our garden at 3.30 a.m. every day!  Now
             I'm sure that's not a problem you have on the Isle of Man!

             When you wrote "1874-1837" what dates did you mean?

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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 25 October 17 08:46 BST (UK) »
Oops! :-[

I meant 1774-1837.

1774 being the date of Hardwicke's Marriage Act - which defined what should appear on a marriage record.
1837 being the date of the onset of Civil Registration.
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Re: Who was the mother of Elizabeth Hughes?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 25 October 17 22:07 BST (UK) »
  Thankyou for the dates and explanations Ken, good to know.

   Jen.
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