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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 21 October 17 13:41 BST (UK) »
Bingo! That's a great find, thanks, Ladyhawk.  :)

I don't suppose it says where Albert Edward was born? Looks as if they waited 4 years to baptise him...

Sorry it doesn't say where he was born

for info. source for the baptism was from
London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 on Anc*y
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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 21 October 17 18:23 BST (UK) »
I've been searching for sister Emily Kate Collins/Cox.  Found this family in Vicarage Road, West Ham, in the 1901 census:

William Collins 39 Grocer's Carman born Hackney
Emily K - wife 38 born Beds. St Albans
Emily K - daur 10 born Stratford
Ivey G - daur 3 born Stratford
Charles Latham - Bro-in-law 31 Carrier's clerk born Crewe, Cheshire
Alice M Latham - visitor 7 born Stratford

I would have disregarded this because of the St Albans birthplace but researching the Colllns children revealed the mother's maiden name as Cox.
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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 21 October 17 19:54 BST (UK) »
The 1911 census offers a bit more circumstantial evidence - search for Kate Collins in West Ham born 1864.
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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 21 October 17 20:27 BST (UK) »
1891

49 Cruickshank Road, West Ham

William Collins  27 carman Hackney
Katie Collins wife 26 Barnsbury
Kate Collins daur 1mo   Stratford
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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 22 October 17 10:20 BST (UK) »
Ah, that's all great information too, Shaun, thanks!

I can't keep up... I've been creating records and putting the family together, sidetracked by research into St James Hatcham and tried to track what happened to the other brother Frederick William (one or two possibilities but nothing definitive), and also just found my way to the GRO index to look for Emily Woolcott (var.).

The nearest I've found is this one:
WOOLCOTT, EMILY  CATHERINE  (mmn) NEAL      
GRO Reference: 1842  M Quarter in ST. GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST. GEORGE BLOOMSBURY  Volume 01  Page 52
- which isn't all that far from Clerkenwell (as later registered in the Census - which I assume was the registration district for Islington...). What do you think? Catherine doesn't crop up anywhere else, but she does give her daughter Kate as a second name.

I will have a look at those Collins links now and try to match them up.

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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 22 October 17 16:28 BST (UK) »
There's an Emily Woollcott born Clerkenwell in 1844, mmn Boulton. A public tree on Ancestry has her parents as William Thomas Woollcott and wife Catherine Ann Boulton.
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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 22 October 17 16:46 BST (UK) »
There's an Emily Woollcott born Clerkenwell in 1844, mmn Boulton. A public tree on Ancestry has her parents as William Thomas Woollcott and wife Catherine Ann Boulton.

Was about to post this info.

Emily Woollcott
born 28th May 1844
Baptism 8 Sep 1844 Clerkenwell St James, Islington,
parents William Thomas Woollcott occ Officer’s Clerk, Catharine Ann, 4 Roseman St

Emily Woollcott mmn  BOULTON  1844  Jun Quarter Saint James' Clerkenwell 

1851 HO107; Piece: 1499; Folio: 367; Page: 3
William T Woolcott 36 St Luke occ ?any of Savings Bank
Catherine A 34 Clerkenwell
Mary B 14
William 12
EMILY 6
Walter 2
Sarah Wilson 20 servant

1861 RG 9; Piece: 128; Folio: 39; Page: 36
Emily Woolcott 17 London Middlesex boarder living Islington

 marriage 26 Mar 1836 St James, Clerkenwell, Islington
William Thomas Woolcott
Catherine Ann Boulton


The nearest I've found is this one:
WOOLCOTT, EMILY  CATHERINE  (mmn) NEAL      
1842  M Quarter in ST. GILES IN THE FIELDS & ST. GEORGE BLOOMSBURY  Volume 01  Page 52
- which isn't all that far from Clerkenwell (as later registered in the Census - which I assume was the registration district for Islington...).

What do you think? Catherine doesn't crop up anywhere else, but she does give her daughter Kate as a second name.


Emily Catherine Woolcott Born 7th Feb
Baptism 6 Mar 1842 Bloomsbury St George, Camden
parents Frederick Woolcott occ Fringe Manufactuer, Sarah abode Sinney Court

Edit~ Emily is not on the 1851 census with her parents and siblings - has she died?

GRO indexes has this death - but her yob 1844 :-\
Emily WOOLCOT age  2 or might be 2 months
1846  D Quarter in MARYLEBONE  Volume 01  Page 204

HO107; Piece: 1511; Folio: 23; Page: 39
Frederick Woolcott 37 Bloomsbury occ fringe manufacturer
Sarah 38 City of London
Henry 12 Bloomsbury
Charles 12
Frederick 10
Caroline Halls 18 servant

Henry Woolcott and Charles Woolcott Born 14th May  Bp3 Jun 1838 Bloomsbury St George, Camden

Frederick William Woolcott Born 6th April Bp 26 Apr 1840 Bloomsbury St George, Camden
parents Frederick Woolcott, fringe manufactuer , Sarah abode Sinney Court

Marriage    6 Jul 1836 St Marylebone, Westminster
Frederick Woolcott to Sarah Neale

Not found the family on the 1861 census and not sure if this will be of any help
Frederick Woolcott & Sarah’s daughter Catharine Emma bp 6th July 1851 born 15 June , abode Bedford Street

ADDED ~ possibly explains why I couldn't find parents in 1861

Frederick WOOLCOTT  age 39  (born c1814)
1853 M Quarter in STRAND  Volume 01B  Page 274

Sarah WOOLCOTT age 48  (born c1812)
1860  D Quarter in STRAND  Volume 01B  Page 286

Here's son Charles living in Bedford Street he's head of household
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M2-P8JC

looking at the original entry there's no Emily Catherine or Catharine Emma with him only
Frederick W 21
Richard J 17
Clara J(ane)  15







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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #34 on: Monday 23 October 17 05:22 BST (UK) »
Hmmm, I think that the Clerkenwell one does seem a bit more likely, but that does make her a bit younger, and a slight variation on the spelling (Woollcott vs Woolcott) although I know that's not always significant. The marriage record transcription here shows 1 el: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DVC-MVW

Thanks again - I will work through them and see if I can find anything else.

In the meantime, I found a possible match for Emily Jr/Kate's husband William Collins - ?
Possible birth record, from GRO - the only William Collins in that year
COLLINS, WILLIAM COWARD mmn WILLBURN
GRO Reference: 1863 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 408

Edit: The son James Woollcott Cock, who died young in Truro, uses this spelling:
COCK, JAMES  WOOLLCOTT      mmn WOOLLCOTT      
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in TRURO  Volume 05C  Page 173

- and Annette's earlier transcription spells it this way, so I think this adds to the weight of evidence to the 1844 one, although I see that the spelling is varied in other records.

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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 13:40 BST (UK) »
spelling (Woollcott vs Woolcott) although I know that's not always significant.

The marriage record transcription here shows 1 el: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DVC-MVW


Dec 1862 Islington   1b   460
Woollcott   Emily       

You can view the hand written entry on FreeBMD and it's definately spelt WOOLLCOTT

Have checked the London marriage entries on Anc*y, unfortunately there's not one for Emily to
check their father's names and occupations  :(


In the meantime, I found a possible match for Emily Jr/Kate's husband William Collins - ?

Possible birth record, from GRO - the only William Collins in that year

COLLINS, WILLIAM COWARD mmn WILLBURN
1863 D Quarter in HACKNEY Volume 01B Page 408


Not sure if this relates to the above William

There’s an entry FreeBMD for 1855 Hackney
William COLLINS
One of the female names on same page
Eliza WILLBOURNE

28 May 1855   St John of Jerusalem, South Hackney, Hackney, England
William Collins f/a single labourer,  South Hackney
father William Collins, labourer
Eliza Willbourne f/a single  father  Henry, labourer
Both signed their names
witnessed by William Collins & Charlotte Collins both made their mark (x)

Not sure if this might be William & Eliza Collins as they are living in Stratton Wiltshire

1861 RG 9; Piece: 1269; Folio: 78; Page: 30
William Collins 52 Ag labouer
Sarah 62
WILLIAM 25 son South Marston Wiltshire occ Ag Labourer
Eliza 20 dau in law
Mary J 4mths  gd dau