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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #36 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 13:50 BST (UK) »
From memory there's an 1861 census entry for William Collins which shows his occupation as British Wine Maker and Methodist Lay Preacher. I'll see if I can find it again. The wine maker bit kind of tallies with the 1884 marriage register for William Edward Collins and Emily Kate Cock which shows his father's occupation as wine merchant.
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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #37 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 14:01 BST (UK) »
1861

18 Brunswick Terrace, Hackney

William Collins  29 British Wine Maker and Methodist Lay Preacher, Hackney
Eliza Collins  28 Laundress, Hackney
Eliza Collins 5 Hackney
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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #38 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 14:07 BST (UK) »
1871

London Fields, Hackney: next to a Methodist Chapel.  Near Pacifico's Alms Houses.

1 Jublee (sic) Cottages

William Collins 37 Wine Maker, Kent
Eliza Collins  38 Herefordshire
Eliza Collins 15 Errand Girl, Homerton
William Collins  7 Scholar, Hackney



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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #39 on: Wednesday 25 October 17 06:39 BST (UK) »
Thanks for those, Shaun and Ladyhawk.

The ag. labourer doesn't seem like a good fit, the wine maker/preacher more likely; but my brain is currently in a mess after spending many hours yesterday and today trying to sort out a big tangle of Woolcotts and Woollcotts on Geni, further up the line - and still busy on it.

I will get back to this when I can but with pressure of other things as well, it may not be for another day or two...


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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #40 on: Wednesday 25 October 17 08:54 BST (UK) »
1861

18 Brunswick Terrace, Hackney
William Collins  29 British Wine Maker and Methodist Lay Preacher, Hackney
Eliza Collins  28 Laundress, Hackney
Eliza Collins 5 Hackney
1871

London Fields, Hackney: next to a Methodist Chapel.  Near Pacifico's Alms Houses.
1 Jublee (sic) Cottages
William Collins 37 Wine Maker, Kent
Eliza Collins  38 Herefordshire
Eliza Collins 15 Errand Girls, Homerton
William Collins  7 Scholar, Hackney

Snippet From Genuki Gazetteer
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/MDX/Hackney/HackneyHistory

HACKNEY, a parish and an extensive suburb of the metropolis, in the N.E. division of the Tower Hamlets, hundred of Ossulstone, county Middlesex, 2½ miles N. by E. of London, commencing about a mile from Shoreditch church

previous to 1835 it formed one parish, but is now divided into Hackney St. John, South Hackney, and West Hackney, together comprising the hamlets of Hackney Proper, Homerton, Clapton, Dalston, De Beauvoir Town, Stamford Hill, and Kingsland.

Below is the only Eliza Collins born c1855 I can find on FreeBMD registered in Hackney but this Eliza has a middle name  :-\

Jun 1856 Hackney 1b 302
Eliza Elizabeth COLLINS GRO indexes show mmn WILBURN

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28 May 1855   St John of Jerusalem, South Hackney, Hackney, England
William Collins f/a single labourer,  South Hackney
father William Collins, labourer
Eliza Willbourne f/a single  father  Henry, labourer
Both signed their names
witnessed by William Collins & Charlotte Collins both made their mark (x)

To confuse matters there are also these birth entries mmn WILLBOURNE

COLLINS, RICHARD  THOMAS 
1857  D Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 348

COLLINS, WILLIAM  EDWIN 
1857  D Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 348

William Edward & Henry Richard Collins Bp 21 Dec 1857 South Hackney St John of Jerusalem, Hackney
parents William Collins occ labourer Eliza Collins abode Well St

there are these deaths registered in Hackney

William Edward Collins Dec 1857 age 0 months
and
Henry Richard Collins died Mar 1858 age 3 (months)

I cannot find a baptisms in Hackney for William Coward Collins (1863)

or Eliza (c1855) & William Collins (c1863) father William occ Wine Maker  ???







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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #41 on: Friday 27 October 17 09:19 BST (UK) »
I am going to have to come back to William Collins and Woollcotts tomorrow with a progress report, but in the meantime have received Albert's birth certificate from GRO and it shows that Albert Edward Cock was born in Truro, at the address mentioned in the 1871 Census (Victoria Place - Ship Inn - now Victoria Inn).
 :) :) :)

So thought I'd just share this now, with all of you who have been helping me on this one. I'm really delighted to have filled in so many gaps and built this tree thus far.

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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 28 October 17 09:17 BST (UK) »
I've managed to find and add quite a bit of info to the older Truro Cock records today, but getting back to Emily Kate who married William, cannot seem to piece anything sensible together, despite going down many different avenues of enquiry.

I did find a William Richard Collins who gets married in 1889 in West Ham, on both FamilySearch and FreeBMD (and have looked at the scanned entry), but I can't seem to get to his spouse's name.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D6Q-37D
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?cite=npydPQXg%2FmnwuOe3bxAHHQ&scan=1

I don't understand properly how to search for the spouse, although I tried to follow the BMD instructions. When I search on Marriages using the volume and page numbers, I find Julia Barkway marrying William James Tilbury (both different line numbers to William Richard Collins)...  ??? ???

Edit: I also tried to look for the death of Emily Cock (mother of Albert E and Emily Kate) on GRO, but nothing seems to fit. The only one in West Ham gives an age of 0:
COCK, EMILY        0            
GRO Reference: 1893  D Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 6   
 ???
Oh, and there's one in Truro, but her DOB doesn't match - too late:
COCK, EMILY        35            
GRO Reference: 1890  M Quarter in TRURO  Volume 05C  Page 115          

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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 28 October 17 12:36 BST (UK) »
Thank you for sharing the details of Albert's b/c and glad you are now able to fill in some of your gaps  :)


I did find a William Richard Collins who gets married in 1889  West Ham, on both FamilySearch and FreeBMD (and have looked at the scanned entry),
but I can't seem to get to his spouse's name.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D6Q-37D
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/information.pl?cite=npydPQXg%2FmnwuOe3bxAHHQ&scan=1


William Richard Collins
1889   Jan-Feb-Mar   West Ham Essex
Volume:   4a page:   181

Records on Page: Name
William Richard Collins
Clara Maud Ramsey
details from England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 on Anc*y

and FreeBMD

Mar 1889   
Collins    William Richard        West Ham  4a   181    
Ramsey    Clara Maud            W.Ham        4a   181

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1891c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3R2K-F2M
William Collens born c 1860 Essex occ wine merchants assistant
Wife Clara M

1901c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X98W-194
William R Collins born c1860 Woodford Essex occ Grocers Assistant
Wife Clara

1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWFN-V6L
William Richard Collins 1860 Woodford occ Cooper Plate Printer

Harold William COLLINS mmn RAMSEY     
1904  M Quarter in HACKNEY  Volume 01B  Page 449   

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Re: Martha Cox 1881 Census; Albert Edward Cox/Collins on passenger records 1896?
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 28 October 17 17:01 BST (UK) »
In 1871 family are in Kenwyn, Cornwall where Albert Edward Cock was born later that year.

Sometime between 1871 and 1879 family returned to London where father James Cock died 1879 Islington.
Edit:
I also tried to look for the death of Emily Cock (mother of Albert E and Emily Kate) on GRO,
but nothing seems to fit.
The only one in West Ham gives an age of 0:
COCK, EMILY       0  1893  D Quarter in WEST HAM  Volume 04A  Page 6    ???
Oh, and there's one in Truro, but her DOB doesn't match - too late:
COCK, EMILY  35   1890  M Quarter in TRURO  Volume 05C  Page 115    

If this is the correct death entry for James

Jun 1879 Islington   1b   225
James Cock age 45 (c1834)   

Could this be Emily although her birth year is a couple of years out  :-\

Jun 1895 Islington 1b 121
Emily Cox  age 49  (c1846)
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