Looking for the death of John Johnson

[Forfarian]

John Johnson was born in Wigan about 1850. In 1877 he married Mary Weddell or Weddle Noble (1852-1937) in Newcastle-upon-Tyne. Mary was the daughter of John Noble and Mary Weddle Black.

There were two children: John Tyrer Johnson DSO (1878-1960) and Mary Weddle Johnson (1880-1951), married Frank Gordon Fife and had three children.

I have the 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census records of the family, all in Newcastle, latterly Jesmond. In the first three John Johnson is described as a merchant, and in 1911 he is described as a commercial clerk.

Mary's probate describes her as a widow, so John must have died between 1911 and 1937.

Unfortunately there are frighteningly large numbers of deaths of John Johnsons in the indexes.

Does anyone have access to information that might help to home in on John Johnson's death please? For example a burial somewhere with his wife, or a newspaper announcement in a local paper that I cannot access, or anything else?

[Tickettyboo]

Can't see a death notice (but between the wars the coverage for the area is still very hit and miss)
Newcastle Journal 06 Jan 1917
Major John Tyrer Johnson M.D., R.A.M.C. who has been 15 months in Salonika, has been awarded the D.S.O. Major Johnson is a son of Mr and Mrs Johnson of Gowan Terrace, Jesmond.

That suggests that he was still alive, or I'd expect it to say the late Mr Johnson, so that may help to narrow the time frame down.

I checked the Electoral Rolls for Gowan Terrace and Mary Weddell Johnson  and her son John Tyrer Johnson were the only people at no 16  registered to vote on the Autumn 1920 roll.

Boo

[Tickettyboo]

Think this may relate to John too? Doesn't help with his death but any snippet of info is interesting :-)

Shields Daily News 08 July 1910

At Newcastle Bankruptcy Court yesterday, the examination of William Lawson, aged 32, Millow Street, South Shields, stonemason, lately living and trading in Gordon Street, South Shields, as a grocer, was closed, as in (sic) that of John Johnson of Gowan Terrace, Newcastle, general merchant’s clerk.


Not sure if the 'as in' was a typo in the paper or not, it doesn't sound right though.

Boo

[Tickettyboo]

 I found a report of his funeral, must have missed it earlier.


Shields Daily News 17 September 1919
Quayside's Loss
The funeral took place  at Jesmond Cemetery yesterday of Mr John Johnson, who was a familiar figure on the Quayside for 50 years.
Among those present were Lieut-Colonel J.T. Johnson, D.S.O., R.A.M.C. Mr F Gordon Fife (son in law) Miss Hermione Johnson (granddaughter) Mr Din Fife (grandson). Mr W.J. Noble (brother in law) Mr James Black, Mr William Black (cousins).

Looking at the Death Index for Q3 1919, there are two possible registrations in Newcastle for John Johnson, one aged 67 and one aged 68.

Boo

[Rosinish]

Great finds Tickettyboo!

Looking at the c1850 birth year, the 68 yr old would seem most likely.

John died at the end of the qtr (Sep) i.e. the pg no. 164 being the higher would point to a later death in that qtr than pg 33.

Johnson John 67 Newcastle T. 10b 33    
Johnson John 68 Newcastle T. 10b 164   

Annie

[Forfarian]

Thanks, both, and apologies for being a bit slow to reply on-forum.

Yes, annoying when you even have a date of death and there are two possible deaths so close together!

John was 30 in 1881, 50 in 1901 and 60 in 1911. In 1891 his age is hard to read. So he seems to have been consistent, suggesting a birth in 1850 or in the first quarter of 1851. Again, there are two possibles, one in the June quarter of 1850, and one in the March quarter of 1851

And there are three 20-year-old John Johnsons in Wigan, in the 1871 census, and two of them are in lodgings. The one who is at home can be discounted because he was still at home in 1881.

Edit: Gottim! Son of Peter Johnson and Ellen Alker, born Haigh, Wigan district, March quarter 1851. In Newcastle with his parents in 1871. Bingo!