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Offline allister1964

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Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« on: Thursday 19 October 17 23:14 BST (UK) »
I am looking for descendants  of  Samuel Duffield and Jane Girvan who married in 1714. Two brothers, George (1797-1878) and Samuel Duffield (1802-77) both  lived and had farms in the townland of Ballymagarry,  Parish of Shankill  (near Belfast).  Samuel and Jane  were from the Templepatrick / Carnmoney area, and Ballymagarry is approximately 2 miles from there.

It's very difficult to prove a link, though if anyone else is researching the Duffield's, I'd be happy to chat with you.   

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Re: Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 October 17 23:04 BST (UK) »
Hi allister1964, i am not related in any way, but thought some starting points on descendants might help or hinder
below from https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx
also using https://www.ancestryireland.com/ and familysearch.org

1.  George Duffield
Forthbrook Shankhill Road
[B~1798] 80 Years looks like he married Sarah Coates dau of Wm CoatesRosemary St Church
d 24 March 1878 at Forthbrook
bur 27 March 1878 City Cemetery G 584 see  https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch
children
1.1.  Samuel Duffield b~1829
Samuel Duffield
 [B~1829] 76 Years marries Margaret Johnston 14 june 1855 belfast dau of john johnston
d 8 January 1905 lived at 3 Craig Ailsa Terrace Whitehead probate10 January 1905
City Cemetery
G585 see https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch
children   these 3 cant be correct
1.1.1.  DUFFIELD GEORGE 1870 SAMUEL Antrim Log in Register
1.1.2.  DUFFIELD GEORGE 1881 SAMUEL Down Log in Register
1.1.3.  DUFFIELD GEORGE 1892 SAMUEL Antrim

1.2.  George Duffield  4 Feb 1835 I think dies young see familysearch.org

1.3.  George Duffield  3 Mar 1838 see familysearch.org
George Duffield if b 4 Feb1835 son of George Duffield and Sarah coates
residence Glenview Ballymagarry
[b~1838] 49 Years  d 29 June 1887  bur 1 July 1887  City Cemetery
C 584 https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch speculation on HHF website ancestryireland
children
1.3.1. Mary jane  b27 Dec1853,m Robert Henry son of Joseph Henry  see https://www.familysearch.org/
1.3.2  Samuel b 14 Jun 1855 belfast
1.3.3.  Sarah b 1863

So where does this george below fit in as he is buried with Samuel d 1905 and Mary jane henryd1892
George Duffield   I am unsure who this George is yet he lives in
[b~1855] 76 Years d 11 September 1931 residence Forthbrook Ballygomartin Rd
bur 14 September 1931City CemeteryG 585 https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch
his 1901 census entry reads 5 in Ballymagarry (Woodvale Ward, Antrim) and includes a son George Duffield George b1902-3 aged 8 Male Son Prespyterian Co Down Scholar this George is not mentioned in 1911 census there is a death of a George recorded in UHF 1904
1911 Census
58 in White Rock Road (Woodvale, Antrim)
Duffield George b ~1859 52 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Belfast Farmer Read and write English Married - 19 10 9
Duffield Margaret 39 Female Wife Church of Ireland Belfast - Read and write English Married - 19 years10 9
children
Duffield Sarah 16 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Office Clerk in Linen ? Single -
Duffield John 14 Male Son Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Read and write English Single - Duffield Margaret 12 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Read and write Duffield Mary 11 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Read and write
Duffield David M 9 Male Son Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Read and write
Duffield Helen E 8 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Read and
Duffield Samuel 5 Male Son Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar
Duffield Hilda 3 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Ė
Duffield Hugh J 1 Male Son Church of Ireland Belfast

from the irish genealogy hub these are index entries to the Tithes applotment books, with original records in PRONI Belfast
Duffield, Geo. Townland : Ballymagarry Year: 1826
Duffield, S. Townland : Edenderry Year: 1826
Duffield, S. Townland : New Enclosure Year: 1826
Carnmoney
Girvan, Chas. Townland: Ballyduff Year: 1835
Girvan, Chas. Townland: Ballyhenry Year: 1835
Girvan, John. Townland: Ballyhenry Year: 1835
Girvan, Wm. Townland: Ballyhenry Year: 1835
Girvin, Charles Townland: Ballyduff Year: 1835
Girvin, Charles Townland: Ballyhenry Year: 1835
Girvin, John Townland: Ballyhenry Year: 1835
Girvin, Wm. Townland: Ballyhenry Year: 1835
Belfast directory 1819 http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1819_Alphanames.htm
Duffield, Samuel, publican, 164 North Street
Girvin, John, carpenter, Cromack Street
Girvin, James, carpenter, 33 West Street

1852 directory
Duffield, Samuel, Summerhill

1861 Griffiths Valuation includes and has continuation books at RONI
Duffield Anne Dock Townparks York Street Shankill Antrim
Duffield Samuel Dock Townparks Edward Street Shankill Antrim
Duffield Samuel Ballymagarry Shankill Antrim
Duffield George Ballymagarry Shankill Antrim
Duffield George Smithfield Ballymagarry Glenview Shankill Antrim
Duffield Samuel Dock Townparks Edward Street Shankill Antrim
Duffield Samuel Ballymagarry Shankill Antrim
Duffield George Smithfield Ballymagarry Glenview Shankill Antrim
Duffield George Ballymagarry Shankill Antrim
Duffield Samuel Lagmore Derryaghy Antrim
Duffield Samuel Killeaton Derryaghy Antrim
Duffield Samuel Dunmurry Drumbeg Antrim
Duffield Samuel Carnaghliss Killead Antrim
Duffield Anne Dock Townparks York Street Shankill Antrim
Duffield George Budore Tullyrusk Antrim
Duffield Samuel Derryaghy Derryaghy Antrim
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Re: Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 26 October 17 18:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your reply, and also all the details regarding the Duffield family members.  From the limited sources which are available in the eighteenth century, and from Wills, Street Directories etc from the nineteenth  century, I am fairly sure that the individuals recorded in the 1901 and 1911 Censuses, and prior to that, in Griffth's Valuation, are direct descendants of Samuel Duffield and Jane Girvan.

Thank you once again for your assistance, it was most appreciated.

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Re: Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« Reply #3 on: Friday 27 October 17 08:25 BST (UK) »
Not related nor researching, but here are a few more Duffield references that track back to the 'gap' period in the 18th C...

From the Belfast News-Letter of Friday 17 August 1832:
On Saturday last, in the 60th year of her age, JANE, relict of the late Mr. Samuel Duffield, of Belfast.

From the Belfast News-Letter of Tuesday 4 September 1832:
TO LET, that Old Established CONCERN, No. 172, NORTH-STREET, lately occupied by the late Mrs. Duffield, and which has been used as an Inn for the last 50 years.  To any person wishing to commence the above Business [etc. etc. etc.] Apply on the Premises to MR. SAMUEL DUFFIELD.

From Clifton Street graveyard inscriptions:
Erected to the memory of Samuel Duffield, of Belfast, who departed this life the 16th of Dec 1821 aged [5]2 years Also 5 of his children: viz, Hugh, died 31st May 1814 aged 19 years, Jane 1st May 1820 aged 15 years, David, Wm John, and Hugh died when infants Also Margt BIGGAR aged 88 years Also his wife Jane Duffield who departed this life on the 11th day of August 1832 aged 60 years.

Also, the Clifton Street gravestone inscription for Samuel Duffield of Summer Hill, Dunmurry who died aged 75 on 20 December 1877 mentions his sister Margaret who died 1st February 1878 aged 78 years.

So, looks like there was a Samuel Duffield and Jane born 1769/72, who married I'm guessing c. 1790.


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Re: Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« Reply #4 on: Friday 27 October 17 08:58 BST (UK) »
fabulous gaffy, so  allister1964 i havenít time now,  but know that two George Duffields are more important than I first realized and more information lies in  the history of the properties in the Valuation Revision Book PRONI Public Record Office Northern Ireland
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/information-and-services/search-archives-online/valuation-revision-books
Ballymagarry Shankill Parish
 show on page 6,  property 1 George  Duffield then properties 4 and 5 more Duffield crossed out with George Senior  etc, also rh margins notes, all that in the first book
 Current PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/5/3A (1863 - 1880)
so more info available in following revision books
Open Image in a new window VAL/12/B/5/3B
Open Image in a new window VAL/12/B/5/3C
Open Image in a new window VAL/12/B/5/3D
Open Image in a new window VAL/12/B/5/3E
Open Image in a new window VAL/12/B/5/3F
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Re: Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« Reply #5 on: Friday 27 October 17 09:03 BST (UK) »
A few more references...

From a directory of businesses in Belfast 1808:
- Duffield, James & Robert, Coal Factors, 38 Prince's Street
- Duffield, Samuel, Carmen's Inn Keeper, 118 North Street

The Belfast Almanack and Directory of 1820 lists a Samuel Duffield, a Grocer, of 166 North Street, also a Samuel Duffield Sen, a livery stables and Innkeeper of 154 North Street.

There is a PRONI reference T554 entitled 'McQuiston and Duffield family papers' (1774-1832) - Genealogical and testamentary papers relating to the McQuiston family, Lambeg, and Jane Duffield, Belfast, Co. Antrim and others. Also reference T554/8 - 22 December 1832 - Copy Will & Codicil Jane Duffield, North St., Belfast, Proved. Also reference D207/15/21 entitled 'Award involving executors of Jn Duffield' (2 May 1708):  Award involving executors of Jn Duffield, and Wm Shaw and Wm Stewart, and compensation arising out of removal of house and loss of land by erection of bridge at Sixmilewater, Antrim.

Also, from 'Tenants on the Upton Estate, Templepatrick, County Antrim, 1768-1769': Duffield, Samuel, 1769, Templepatrick townland, Templepatrick parish.


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Re: Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 28 October 17 00:00 BST (UK) »
Thank you BallyaltililliganG and Gaffy for all your fantastic information on the Duffield's.  I have viewed the  Will of Jane Duffield  in 1832, in which she mentions her sons:  George,  Samuel, William John and Alexander. Her late husband, was Samuel Duffield who died in 1821. He was a Grocer, and also a 'Special Constable' in 1812. Jane, also mentions her brother, Alexander Roney (so now we know her maiden name).

She must not have been on good terms with her son, George (b: 1797), as she only leaves him £1, whereas, Samuel (b: 1802) received £600, plus a farm at Shankill.

I found an article in the Belfast Newsletter in 1770, placed by Margaret Duffield, of Templepatrick,
which was an advertisement seeking the Creditors and Debtors of her late husband,  Samuel. She intended to move to her farm at Shankill.  This would appear to be the parents of Samuel (1769-1821) who lived in North Street. I am fairly sure that the Samuel Duffield who died in 1769/70 was a son of the Samuel Duffield and Jane Girvan who married at Carnmoney Presbyterian Meeting House in 1714.

The locations  of:  Carnmoney / Shankill / North Street, Belfast are all within a relatively short distance of each other, so it seems that we have solved this puzzle between us. I am indebted to both BallyaltikilliaganG and also Gaffy for your assistance, so once again, thank you very much. 

       

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Re: Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 12 November 17 15:29 GMT (UK) »
Could you please tell me where you found the marriage of George Duffield to Sarah Coates and also with regard to the Samuel Duffield who was an Innkeeper in 1808. Does the street directory exist, and if so, where is it located?

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Re: Duffield family (Ballymagarry, Shankill) (18th Century - present)
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 12 November 17 16:45 GMT (UK) »
This is the 1808 directory reference to Samuel Duffield, it's also in the 1806 and 1807 directories on the same website :

http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/1808.htm