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William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« on: Friday 20 October 17 16:18 BST (UK) »
William BENNETT m Elizabeth DYER on 30 Sep 1747 in Stoke Damerel, but where did they come from?

I have been unable to find any baptisms for either of them which would seem to fit both for location and period. Can anyone help, please?
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« Reply #1 on: Monday 30 October 17 19:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi George, coming from your query here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=512927.msg6360395#msg6360395

-- have you considered the possibility that one or both of them originated in Cornwall?

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/
(and that database is not complete; FindMyPast has baptisms that are not indexed at the OPC site)

For example, between 1715 and 1732, there were 15 Eli* Dyers baptised (search for eli dyer to cover name variations).

For will bennet during the same time period, there are even more possibilities.
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

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Re: William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« Reply #2 on: Monday 30 October 17 22:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi Janey,

In a word, no!

I suppose that I should have done, as many of my ancestors are from Cornwall, but I thought I'd got the BENNETT root largely sorted having found William BENNETT bap 6 Mar 1721 in Charles, which I wrongly assumed was Charles the Martyr, so I spent several years tracing a false root. However, I couldn't even find a false root for Eliz. DYER, so it could be that I've been looking in the wrong place all along.

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll see what Cornwall can provide.

George
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 31 October 17 15:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi Janey

I've searched from 1710 to 1732. The only likely pairing I can find is in South Hill, which is 13.8m from Stoke Damerel:-

William BENNETT bap 24 Feb 1715, father Charles

Elizabeth DYER bap 05 Apr 1718, father Richard

This would make them aged 32 and 29 when they married, so are they a bit too old to be 'my' pair, and is South Hill too far from Stoke Damerel? Your thoughts would be appreciated.

George

BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« Reply #4 on: Friday 03 November 17 15:36 GMT (UK) »
Hi George, I would still be cautious. Names, especially relatively common ones, can be complete coincidences.

And the baptisms you have identified could make that pair a little old for your purposes.

I have a James Hill who died sometime between 1822 (birth of last known child) and 1835 (definite remarriage of his wife), probably in the Plymouth area. There were half a dozen &*%$ James Hills who died in that place in that period, and there is no way whatsoever to know which is mine. It's significant, because the first son's descendant's YDNA indicates that he is not from any Hill family at all, and the two sons born c1820 both had a surname for a middle name that is the surname the descendant's YDNA matches ... so I'm trying to figure out whether the James Hill married to their mother was actually their father. I will simply never know which death was his including whether he died earlier than 1822.

On his marriage in Cornwall, he gave a place of residence in southeast Devon (and the couple settled on the east side of the Tamar in Devon). So again, I have absolutely no way of knowing which of the innumerable James Hills born in Cornwall and Devon circa 1780-1800 were him, and probably never will.

Have you looked for later records in Cornwall of the William Bennett and Elizabeth Dyer baptised in South Hill? For instance, to make sure that one of them didn't die in infancy, or there isn't a later burial record that matches by age at death? What about other children of the same parents, and whether there are records to match them either in the area where they were born or in the area where your William and Elizabeth married?

One thing you might do is contact the online parish clerk for South Hill, who is very knowledgable and very helpful.
http://www.opc-cornwall.org/Par_new/q_s/south_hill.php
Tell her I sent you. ;)
HILL, HOARE, BOND, SIBLY, Cornwall (Devon); DENNIS, PAGE, WHITBREAD, Essex; BARNARD, CASTLE, PONTON, Wiltshire; SANKEY, HORNE, YOUNG, Kent; COWDELL, Bermondsey; COOPER, SMITH, FALLOWELL, WILLEY, Notts; CAMPION, CARTER, CRADDOCK, KENNY, Northants; LITTLER, CORNER, Leicestershire; RUSHLAND, Lincolnshire; MORRISON, Ireland; COLLINS, ?; ... MONCK?

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Re: William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« Reply #5 on: Friday 03 November 17 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Janey,

Thanks for that.

I've e-mailed the South Hill opc, so we'll see what happens

George
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« Reply #6 on: Friday 03 November 17 21:43 GMT (UK) »
The OPC for South Hill has asked for dates and locations of children’s births and names.

It could be that it was a second marriage for both, hence the ages but we will see.

Fizzy
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Re: William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 04 November 17 09:58 GMT (UK) »
The only offspring I have is my lineal ancestor:-

Elizabeth BENNETT bap 27 Oct 1756 in Stoke Damerel

There may or may not be others - I haven't searched for them
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: William BENNETT & Elizabeth DYER c1725
« Reply #8 on: Monday 06 November 17 20:04 GMT (UK) »
Janey,

Sue has eliminated both of my South Hill possible ancestors, so my search for William BENNETT and Elizabeth DYER continues

George
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower