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Re: Grandparent's Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Grandfather Samuel Neil
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 22 October 17 10:25 BST (UK) »
Assuming for the moment your Tacy is one of the Dublin Rocliffe family, and with that surname and first name it seems likely, a rough outline of the family is-
James Whaley Rocliffe born c 1844 England married Sarah Hyde
children
Arthur born c1867 England married Margaret McGarry in 1894
James born c1868 England married Sarah Gould or Yould 1894
Edgar born ? married Eliza Fox 1895
William born 1869 in Dublin married Elinor Gray(Necy) in 1912
could be more in this gap
Fredrick born 1879
Tacy born 1881 married Nicholas Stitt 1912
George born c1885 married Elizabeth Keatinge in 1915

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Re: Grandparent's Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Grandfather Samuel Neil
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 22 October 17 12:36 BST (UK) »
Might have something Tacey Sarah Rocliffe married Dublin South 1948
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYG4-2NY
this one sounds very promising 👍🏼 I'm writing it all down now so can ring mum thank you again for your time & kindness will keep you updated 👍🏼

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Re: Grandparent's Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Grandfather Samuel Neil
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 22 October 17 12:40 BST (UK) »
Assuming for the moment your Tacy is one of the Dublin Rocliffe family, and with that surname and first name it seems likely, a rough outline of the family is-
James Whaley Rocliffe born c 1844 England married Sarah Hyde
children
Arthur born c1867 England married Margaret McGarry in 1894
James born c1868 England married Sarah Gould or Yould 1894
Edgar born ? married Eliza Fox 1895
William born 1869 in Dublin married Elinor Gray(Necy) in 1912
could be more in this gap
Fredrick born 1879
Tacy born 1881 married Nicholas Stitt 1912
George born c1885 married Elizabeth Keatinge in 1915
Blimey just seen all these lol🙈😂

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Re: Grandparent's Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Grandfather Samuel Neil
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 22 October 17 13:48 BST (UK) »
St George the Martyr Queens Sq Camden
8/3/1866
James Whaley Rocliffe 22 bach Compositor father James -Painter & Glaizer

Sarah Hide 20 spinster both of 1 Bedford Court father William - Bricklayer
witnesses William Whaley & Mary Ann Rocliffe

St Peter Walworth Southwark 7/10/1866 born  30/9/1866

James Stephen William Rocliffe parents James Whaley & Sarah Rocliffe 27 Queens Row occ. Compositor.

1901 census Hawthorn Terrace North Dock Dublin
James Stephen W Rocliffe 33
Sarah 31
William James 5

10 yrs later at same address
James 45
Sarah 42
William James 16
George Henry 9
James Arthur 6
Bertha Jacy 4 (could be Tacy)

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Stevens /Godfrey /Rudgley /Claridge/ Gipson /George /Bliss
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Re: Grandparent's Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Grandfather Samuel Neil
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 22 October 17 15:11 BST (UK) »
St Andrew Holborn born 1/4/1818 bapt. 22/4/1818

Ellen Birmingham Whaley parents Stephen & Elizabeth address Brill Row occ. Printer

1841 census 4 Bluits? Buildings St Andrews Holborn

Stephen Whaley 50 printer not born in the county
Elizabeth 40 not born in the county
Stephen 13 born in the county
Elizabeth 11 "        "         "

Marriage 11/4/1841  Ellen Birmingham Whaley / James Rocliffe

1851 census 16 Dean Street Holborn
James Rocliffe 33 Painter & Glaizer born Marylebone
Ellen 32 born St Pancras
Mary Ann 10 St.Giles in the fields
Ellen 5 city of London
William 1 St Giles in the fields

1871 census 35 Queens Row
James Rocliffe 27 Compositor born Woolwich
Sarah 25 Holborn
James 4 Walworth
Arthur 3    "
William 1  "

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Stevens /Godfrey /Rudgley /Claridge/ Gipson /George /Bliss
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Re: Grandparent's Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Grandfather Samuel Neil
« Reply #23 on: Monday 23 October 17 09:51 BST (UK) »
St George the Martyr Queens Sq Camden
8/3/1866
James Whaley Rocliffe 22 bach Compositor father James -Painter & Glaizer

Sarah Hide 20 spinster both of 1 Bedford Court father William - Bricklayer
witnesses William Whaley & Mary Ann Rocliffe

St Peter Walworth Southwark 7/10/1866 born  30/9/1866


James Stephen William Rocliffe parents James Whaley & Sarah Rocliffe 27 Queens Row occ. Compositor.


1901 census Hawthorn Terrace North Dock Dublin
James Stephen W Rocliffe 33
Sarah 31
William James 5

10 yrs later at same address
James 45
Sarah 42
William James 16
George Henry 9
James Arthur 6
Bertha Jacy 4 (could be Tacy)

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Wow thank you Jennifer  I hadn't got to see my mother yesterday but I also had an address wrote down  number 11 think it was Ervine Terrace North wall Strand if that helps any but I'm overwhelmed with so many names and information fingers crossed some ring a bell think mum still has her Irish passport so maybe there's a little something on there I don't know?
But it's quite sad when people don't know where they belong - as I think back in the day you could basically put any name on a birth certificate  & swop your names around etc.. I think it could help also if I can get Samuel's birth date - mum also thinks she has more siblings or the **** curry born 1945 had children - brought up as O'neill's
Thanks again ladies

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Re:Looking for Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Samuel Neill/O'neill S/Dublin
« Reply #24 on: Monday 23 October 17 10:01 BST (UK) »
Grandmother  Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913
Grandfather Samuel Neill/O'neill
My mother was born in South Dublin in 1948
Mum's Sister born 1945 to a previous man by the surname Currie
They all moved to England roughly 1951
Where my Grandad added an O' to his Surname Neill becoming O'neill
This is confusing I know but my mother has nothing of her mother or fathers
Also the names could of been spelt a touch different.
I have just spelt it Guessing really..
Much appriciation if anyone can help in anyway.. Also an address think it's - 11 Ervine Terrace North Wall Strand
Thanks in advance

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Re: Grandparent's Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Grandfather Samuel Neil
« Reply #25 on: Monday 23 October 17 14:06 BST (UK) »
Just trying to go through the various points

The Curry/ie /(O)Neill/Rocliffe children's births are less than 100 years old so unless the mother's maiden name is recorded on the index we can't find them. The dates the index records mother's maiden name varies from place to place.

Usually when a couple are not married the children's birth are registered in the mother's name but of course a couple could claim to be married when they were not. We can't see a marriage for Curry/ie Rocliffe and the marriage we believe is Tacy and Samuel's is in the name Rocliffe while a widow would usually be in the index under her married name.

You give a birth year for Tacy of 1913 but we haven't found a birth, if the birth year is based on her age at death than it may possibly be incorrect. Death ages are often incorrect.
To find Tacy's and Samuel's birth we need at least their father's names and occupations, this information will be on the marriage cert.
The marriage cert may also clear up the issue of a marriage to Curry/ie or not.

The picking up and dropping of the O on O'Neill is normal for all names with an O and doesn't generally cause any problems.

I think what you need to do is collect as much information as you can from family, even little bit helps and get the marriage cert.
You don't need a certified one a research/photocopy will have all the same information and is much cheaper but it must be ordered by post or fax.
To order it you will need, vol, district, and year which is here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYG4-2NY
normally there is a page number as well but it is missing but this shouldn't cause a problem, although it may be worth making a note of than fact on the form.
and the form on this link
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do
Fingers crossed it's the correct marriage.

We still don't know what if any connection there is to America, it could of course be on the O'Neill side.

It's great we could collect so much on the Rocliffe's in Dublin and even better to be able to trace them further back in the UK but until you know for sure who Tacy's father is it's all just possibilities.

I'll have a look at the Ervine address and see if it throws up anything.

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Re: Grandparent's Tacy maiden name Roecliff born 1913 Grandfather Samuel Neil
« Reply #26 on: Monday 23 October 17 14:58 BST (UK) »
Might have something Tacey Sarah Rocliffe married Dublin South 1948
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYG4-2NY

There's a Samuel Patrick O'Neill on that list as well.
Yes groom it was