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Re: Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 25 October 17 09:15 BST (UK) »
Frederick is on the 1901 Census.

FindMyPast search criteria:-  Given Name - Frederick (with alternatives), Surname - Davies (no alternatives); Destination - United States; Year - 1901 - 1906

Frederick Davies, date 19/4/1905, draughtsman, ship - Teutonic
F W Davies, date 30/4/1904, mechanic, single, ship - Umbria
F W Davies, date 16/9/1904, ship - Umbria

https://www.libertyellisfoundation.org/passenger

I checked arrivals and eliminated Frederick Davies, draughtsman, Teutonic - born 1870.

The arrival of the Umbria not recorded. 
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.

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Re: Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 25 October 17 15:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much again for all your help and suggestions

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Re: Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 25 October 17 22:41 BST (UK) »
Found a likely match for Frederick in 1910 US census as suggested

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RK5-9D41?i=30&cc=1727033

Fred (also named as Fred in his father's obituary) W Davies, born 1874 (correct), Wales. Arrived 1904. Listed as Grocery Merchant. In 1891 and 1901 uk census he was a grocer's assistant. He is living in WestMoreland, in Pennsylvania and in his father's 1906 obituary states he was living in Scranton, which is in Pennsylvania.

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Re: Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 17:15 GMT (UK) »
I wonder if this might be your Frederick, as he is around the right age and born in Mountain Ash, according to the 2nd page of the passenger list.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6QR-83X  It says he had been in the US from 1905-1918.  He was going to Montana, which is not terribly close to Scranton, Pennsylvania, but maybe he moved. 

Given the time frame, he may have gone home to serve in WWI.  Possible service record has a guy with the right name & age born in Mountain Ash-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVBL-TCLS

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Re: Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 19:18 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much for this, I will investigate further. However, there is a conflict here in that if it says he was in the US from 1905-1918, how could he have then been serving in in the British army in 1917. Having said that, I can't see another Frederick William Davies of the right age born Mountain Ash in 1911 or earlier censuses.

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Re: Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 19:46 GMT (UK) »
The time he was in the US would have been by his own report, so it's not unusual to see those dates were slightly off.

The Frederick William Davies who arrived on this 1919 ship filed a declaration of intention to become naturalized in Alameda Co., California on 9 May 1919 and said he was born 11 Dec. 1873 in Mountain Ash, South Wales.  His address at that time was 2468 Hearst St., Oakland, California.  He filed a petition for naturalization in the US District Court of Colorado at Denver on 4 May 1926.  He was a salesman living at 1660 Ogden St., Denver.  He was naturalized in Nov. 1927.

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Re: Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 20:38 GMT (UK) »
Thank you very much. This must be him. His birth was registered in the Mar Qtr 1874, Pontypridd,  birth registration in this quarter would be entirely plausible if he was born mid December 1873. I will look to getting his birth certificate to confirm

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Re: Thomas Davies - The Western Mail 11 Nov 1889
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 13:54 GMT (UK) »
Could be.  There is also a marriage record for an F.W. Davies of the right age in 1930.  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-8B24-3Y5?i=994&cc=1932434

This looks like it may be him, divorced in the 1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRD5-HXY

A possibility for him in the 1920 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX2J-MGJ

And possible burial - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGC-Y8B7