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Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« on: Sunday 22 October 17 23:11 BST (UK) »
The births of Margaret Heywegen and I H were registered in Cardiff in Q1, 1944. The mother's maiden name was "James". I believe they were taken to Holland after the end of WW2 but don't know when.

Margaret came back to UK and met and married a man with the surname "Cuperis" or "Kuperis" and eventually emigrated to Canada.

My interest is that the daughter of Margaret has appeared as a DNAmatch as a fourth cousin to me and some of my Welsh cousins. However, this daughter (with whom I am in correspondence) was given for adoption at birth and knows nothing of her ancestry. I am trying to provide her with some details.

I am ordering the two birth certs from the GRO tomorrow morning but I can't find any other info on these names in Ancestry or Google.

Can one of you genius Rootschatters add any info please?

Thanks as always for this brilliant resource,
Malcolm

p.s. Names removed after being reminded that individuals could still be alive. I apologise for the oversight.

p.p.s I have now confirmed that Margaret died some years ago in Canada.
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Re: Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 22 October 17 23:14 BST (UK) »
As both these persons were born in 1944 - they could still be alive.  Do you have any info to show they are both deceased?
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Re: Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 October 17 06:26 BST (UK) »
Good question CaroleW,

I haven't asked that question and it's now the middle of the night in Canada so it will have to wait a few hours.

I'm "more" interested in the girls' mother (maiden name "James") which is the connection between us.

Cheers,
Malcolm
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f

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Re: Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 October 17 11:03 BST (UK) »
If the girls who were registered in 1944 are still alive, then you need to remove their names.
RootsChat has a "no living persons" policy.

Both girls births are registered as both James and Heywegen; although one of them was originally registered in 1942.
This usually means that a birth, registered as James, was subsequently amended after the marriage of the parents.
At the very least it means that the father was present at the registration of the births.

Can't see any marriages for Heywegen (or Heywegan), however?
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Re: Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 October 17 16:43 BST (UK) »
My most promising candidate for the father was a merchant seaman which might explain the gaps/dates.

Can anyone suggest a good English language site for pursuing Dutch ancestors?
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f

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Re: Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 October 17 16:52 BST (UK) »
WieWasWie (Who was Who):
www.wiewaswie.nl/en for the English version
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Re: Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 09:11 BST (UK) »
On www,geneanet.org there are only 10 Heywegen records - and only 4 for Heywagen - so it is not a common name - all in Holland - but there is an Ellis Heywegen - I always thought Ellis was a Welsh Christian name - have a look on that site and good luck
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Re: Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 21:34 BST (UK) »
Geneanet is not a dutch site so I wouldn't expect much coverage there.

The spelling HEIJWEGEN would be an option.
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Re: Ms James and Mr Heywegen in Cardiff in 1943. Then what????
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 22:56 BST (UK) »
No Garstonite, that name doesn't ring a bell... yet. It's early days. I'll know more when the birth certificates arrive and will update this thread with what they reveal.

Thanks Jorose for the suggestion.

Malcolm
Thomas, Davies, Jones, Walters, Daniel in Carmarthenshire and Ceredigion. That should narrow it down a bit!
Vincent: Fressingfield, Suffolk, Stockton & Sunderland.
Murtha/Murtaugh: Dundalk & Sunderland
Ingram: Cairnie by Huntly, Scotland then Abergavenny, Monmouthshire.
Bardouleau: London - in memory of my stepmother Annie Rose née Bardouleau who put up with a lot from me.
gedmatch.com A006809
Kit uploaded to familytreedna.com B171041
Y-DNA R-M269 & mtDNA U5b1f