REYNOLDS, William REYNOLDS, Sarah Warrington UK - 1860's

[mead researcher]

Hello on Cheshire board.

I have 2 members of the REYNOLDS family who state on various documents they were born in Warrington, Lancashire.

I have had absolutely no success in locating them and am asking whether local knowledge might shed some light on the possibility that their births may have been registered in Warrington, Cheshire.

An entry I saw recently seemed to suggest that around this time frame Warrington may have been classed as being in Cheshire..?

William and Sarah are siblings (there was another known sister Mary Ann who has stated b. Manchester, Lancashire - haven't found her either) 

From ages given on census records it appears William could have been born c. 1862 and Sarah c. 1864. (Their sister Mary Ann c. 1868.)

From Mary Ann's 1896 Marriage Certificate her father was Patrick, deceased, Occupation Shoemaker - name of mother not known.

I  guess it can't hurt to ask so will be anxiously waiting to see if anyone has any advice to offer.

Barbara in Australia

[chempat]

Is the William Reynolds the one from Warrington, born around 1862, married to Mary (White) on the 1891 census?

Added: He has died by 1901?

Born in Ireland and came to Lancashire in the 1860's and 'adopted' an English birth place?

Have you found them in 1871 census?

I cannot find the marriage to Mary White, but the daughter is registered as Reynolds/White in 1890, Chorlton.

Also a possible daughter Mary Ellen Reynolds, born 1887, died 1887, Chorlton.

[emeltom]

Have you found William,Sarah and Mary Ann together on any Census? Are you sure that they are siblings. I can find births for a William in 1863 registered in Culcheth with mmn Ashton and for a Sarah in 1866 also Culcheth with mmn Ashton but I cannot find a Mary Ann.

I have also found William and Sarah in the 1871 living in Culcheth, which is about 6 miles NE of Warrington, with parents James and Mary who married in Leigh in 1863.

For Registration purposes Warrington was a Registration district in Lancashire from 1837 until 1984.

Emeltom

[mead researcher]

I have just received his Death Certificate from the GRO and he died 16 Dec 1896 24 Silk St., South Manchester, Lancashire, UK.
I have never found his Marriage to Mary Jane WHITE - their known children were:

1) Margaret Mary REYNOLDS
GRO index online - REYNOLDS, MARGARET  MARY      WHITE      
GRO Reference: 1890  J Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 924

Margaret's baptism records from http://www.mlfhs.org.uk/data/catholic_search.php
show Latin names - baptised - Margarita Maria Reynolds Father Gulielmi (Latin for William) Mother Mariae (Latin for Mary) Jane White, Godmother Maria Anna (Latin for Mary Ann) Reynolds

2) James Francis REYNOLDS
No Catholic baptism located as was found for  elder sister Margaret
GRO online index-REYNOLDS, JAMES  FRANCIS      WHITE      
GRO Reference: 1892  M Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 826

3) No Catholic baptism located as was found for  elder sister Margaret
GRO index online REYNOLDS, MARY  JANE      WHITE      
GRO Reference: 1894  M Quarter in CHORLTON  Volume 08C  Page 876

It is a confusing situation as William REYNOLDS m. Mary Jane WHITE c. 1890 (from dob of daughter Margaret Mary)
William died 1896
Around the same time his sister Mary Anne REYNOLDS married John GALLAGHER 16 Feb 1896
The Catholic Church of the Holy Name, Chorlton, Lancs. UK.
Mary Ann and John GALLAGHER had 5 known children b. c1897/1899/1901/1903/1904.
Mary Ann GALLAGHER nee REYNOLDS died 01 Nov 1906.

So now Mary Jane REYNOLDS nee WHITE is a widow & John GALLAGHER is a widower.
They are married 08 Jun 1907 Church of the Holy Name (Catholic), Chorlton, Lancs. UK.

There are census records showing these people together at various times.

No I haven't found William, Sarah or Mary Anne on 1871 census or on 1881.

The words you use lead me to think you may have some details unknown to me ie "born Ireland came to L/shire in 1860's and 'adopted' an English birth place".

I would be delighted if you are able to shed any further light on this mysterious family.

As far as Mary Jane WHITE's family - that also was confusing, but I am getting there 

[chempat]

Some Irish people decided to disown their Irish heritage and claim to be born in the town that they first lived in in England.

As I could not see all 3 siblings together in 1871 or 1881 with 'Father Patrick, shoemaker', then they could be in Ireland, and as I could not see a marriage of William to Mary, I wondered if that happened in Ireland and he moved over with his in-laws, as Mary was born in Ireland.

This speculation to try to fit in with the information that you originally supplied.

[heywood]

Hello again,

I recognised the names. 
Just for information, here is a previous thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=709678.0

Time to start looking again 

Heywood

[chempat]

So was the birth certificate ever bought?
'Mary Ann Reynolds, 1865 March quarter, Chorlton volume 8c page 621'

GRO shows mmn Corcoran, which gives possible marriage:

Marriages September quarter 1862
Bridget Corcoran  Manchester   
Peter   Reynolds    Manchester   

Are there more previous threads?

[mead researcher]

Hi to all and hello again heywood....
I have just spent some time going through (re-hashing) all the input from my previous search for info. on this family.
Looking back on the suggestion to purchase the Mar. qtr. 1865 Chorlton Birth Regn. for Mary Ann REYNOLDS 8c 621, I have just done a comparison of dates from 2 x census/marriage/death and come up with the following:
1891 census b. c1866
1896 marriage b. c1868
1901 census b. c1870
1906 death b. c1868
There is a 2nd index which looks closer to the right time frame:
Jun. qtr. 1868 Manchester Birth Regn. for Mary Ann REYNOLDS 8d 159
I am about to bite the bullet and purchase that one - nothing ventured, nothing gained 
(I can't believe the amount of content from my previous attempt to do this - once again thank you to so many helpful people)
Barb in Australia

[chempat]

That birth is for Reynolds/Farrell, there might also be a brother Walter born 1871 Manchester.
GRO
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

Possible for parents:
Marriages Dec 1865
Catherine Farrell  Manchester   
 James Reynolds  Manchester