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Offline Iria

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Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« on: Monday 23 October 17 12:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Everyone

I was Wondering if Someone could help

I have a Elizabeth Emma Bold bapt  1818 Liverpool St Nicholas  Dau of John Bold Watch Jeweller and Hannah Manchester .. as far as I can see John and Hannah Went to South Africa as one of the 1820 Settlers . I have seen on a Lot of Family trees that Elizabeth Emma died as a Infant in South Africa in 1820 .. But this is where my Mystery Begins ..

I Have a Elizabeth Emma Bold b 1818 Dau of John Bold watch maker marrying a John Harold in 1844 Liverpool Elizabeth Harold nee Bold then Dies in Liverpool in 1860
Could these two Elizabeth Emma Bolds be the same Person and she returned to England with some of Her Siblings and Didn't die in South Africa in 1820
Any Help would be greatly Received
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Re: Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« Reply #1 on: Monday 23 October 17 12:37 BST (UK) »
The marriage entry shows Elizabeth Emma's father as John Southward Bold.
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Re: Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« Reply #2 on: Monday 23 October 17 15:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Bumble

Thank you for the Reply

John Southward Bold Married Ann/Hannah Manchester these are the Parents of Elizabeth Emma Bold that went to South Africa as Settlers in 1820 .. Just trying to find out if Elizabeth Emma Bold did die in South Africa in 1820 or came back to Liverpool with her Siblings One included is Martha Bold who married William Byrom in Liverpool .. Martha and Elizabeth Lived together in Cazanu Street in 1841 Liverpool both noted as Shop Owner

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Re: Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« Reply #3 on: Monday 23 October 17 16:07 BST (UK) »
I think you are possibly correct in that assumption.  I can see Martha and her family in 1851 - HO 107/2192 folio 1038 page 48.  And I've just put in an amendment to FreeBMD for William Byrom's marriage entry - he is transcribed as Byron and a fuzzy page number.  Martha appears on page 708 under December 1841 - West Derby.  Two children appear on the 1851 census entry and both have the mother's maiden name of Bold. 

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Re: Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« Reply #4 on: Monday 23 October 17 16:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Bumble
Thankyou for your reply ..

For quite a while its been worrying me that I had the Wrong Elizabeth Emma Bold .but it now does look like she returned home after her Father lost most of his Money in South Africa ,its quite sad Really ,,

Elizabeth Emma is my 3x Great Grandmother

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Re: Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« Reply #5 on: Monday 23 October 17 16:17 BST (UK) »
If she is your 3 x great grandmother, then you have obviously already traced back to her  :-\

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Re: Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« Reply #6 on: Monday 23 October 17 17:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Bumble

Yes I have traced her but many sites have had a Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818 dying in South Africa in 1820 Parents being noted as the Same John Southward Bold and Hannah Manchester .. the Settles 1820 have her Marrying a Henry Webb in 1848 .. But how can it be when its my Elizabeth Emma Bold ?

Sorry for the Confusion Just Needed some help Clarifying it

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Re: Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 09:45 BST (UK) »
Hi,

There seems to be some confusion as to Elizabeth's death. In a note attached to the 1820 Settler site it indicates that the Elizabeth that you have marrying is in fact the granddaughter and the daughter of Peter Bold, John and Hannah's son. It says that Elizabeth may have died even before the ship landed. Not unsual for families to have cousins with the same names. 

http://www.1820settlers.com/genealogy/getperson.php?personID=I59046&tree=master#cite2

Under the map you will see the note as well as source citations if you click on the numbers it will take you to separate web pages listing the Bold lineage.

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Re: Elizabeth Emma Bold born 1818
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 24 October 17 10:12 BST (UK) »
Still very confusing, isn't it? 
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
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