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Re: Looking for relatives of Jabez Crabtree Bingley Uk1880's
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 26 October 17 17:09 BST (UK) »
 :) Hi tried that, if only I could locate the birth registration of Annie b Dec qtr 1871 with mmn something like Massey, would answer all potential births in 1881 census?
Annie Craggs/Lambert was by census ref close to Ellen Craggs in 1891 Bingley?
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PS the OP has two birth certificates with John Craggs being a Stone Mason, was Fanny shown as a Kelly?
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« Reply #10 on: Thursday 26 October 17 17:40 BST (UK) »
 :) OK another route, in 1891 census on FindMyPast Ellen Craggs was shown as b 1874 something like HEALVES, Anc**** show pob as Hawes, this is the Ellen Craggs b Aysgarth mmn Massey if Hawes is correct?
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Re: Looking for relatives of Jabez Crabtree Bingley Uk1880's
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 26 October 17 18:36 BST (UK) »
OK can agree with death of Fanny Craggs and Fanny Kelly Dec qtr 1886 Keighley 9a 125 aged 49

As an aside wondering who the Sarah Ann Kelly was who appears to marry a Stephen Horgan in 1877 Keighley?
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« Reply #12 on: Friday 27 October 17 03:42 BST (UK) »
It's me Essnell,   

These are my relatives, So it is all very gratifying to have you all working. 

I do have the 1881 census details - that is where I started from - finding Ellen first off.

For the one of you asking re Annie Lambert  - yes she is Ellen's sister and I have a letter dated 1912 written by James Lambert to Ellen here in Australia from the Luddenden Foot address.  I have found out much about this line and even had contact with one person directly related.   
Ellen returned to England 1812/13 and saw the family plus others.  Ellen came back to her family here [Australia] in 1813 just before the WW1 broke out.

I have not been able to fully connect Joseph to the War records.  So that info is new and useful so thankyou.   
contained in that is the record re John Craggs still being alive and the address - again new information to me.  this conflicts with what Ellen said re her father - that she was an orphan at the age of 13 when her mother died 1886.

I do know that a J Craggs was in the Army but which J. Craggs  because there is  Joseph and a James.and the Forces of War Recs didn't give the full name or relatives.


Re the Stat Dec It appears to me that Jabez Crabtree knew something about Fanny [whoever] that Joseph previously didn't know at the time of her death and had to retract his original statement. 

ihave also thought re the kelly surname and a previous marriage   and that is clouded by the fact that Ellen recalls another girl as Sarah Ann Kelly  whom I also have not found nor a kelly marriage.

It is quite interesting that Mr Crabtree had an older Daughter Sarah Ann.   just co-incidence.  Ellen  said without any prompting bu us that Sarah Ann didn't want her mother to get married as she would have a navvy for a father.  Therefore She was not John Craggs Daughter but still Dau of Fanny and someone.    Sarah ann crabtree married either Joseph Harrison or John Waddington 1877.

My whole reason for this search is to find Fanny's parents and John's parents.

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Re: Looking for relatives of Jabez Crabtree Bingley Uk1880's
« Reply #13 on: Friday 27 October 17 03:51 BST (UK) »
Hi I answered the query re the father on the certs in the personal messages.

Yes John Craggs is the father given on both of them  one for Ellen and one for William both born up on the Yorkshire Dales.

Ellen at Mossdale Moor  near Hawes  1874  and '

William  at Quarry Railway Huts near Hawes  1875

John is a Stone Mason.

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« Reply #14 on: Friday 27 October 17 03:54 BST (UK) »
Hi to answer  re Fanny on birth cets for Ellen and William

Mother is Fanny Massey   not Kelly.   I beleive Massey to be her birth name??

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Re: Looking for relatives of Jabez Crabtree Bingley Uk1880's
« Reply #15 on: Friday 27 October 17 04:01 BST (UK) »
Hi again - Re Annie Craggs   this is what i Have:

Annie Craggs birth Qtr. 4    year 1872 district Louth   county Licolnshire   England vol. 7a. page 587. 
 
I have her marriage Certificate:  Vol 9a p333  Qtr Sept year 1892, to James Lambert  Her Father is given as John Craggs Stone Mason (Journeyman).
 James Lambert's Father is Thomas Lambert.   James is a Stone Quarrier.

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Re: Looking for relatives of Jabez Crabtree Bingley Uk1880's
« Reply #16 on: Friday 27 October 17 08:45 BST (UK) »
If we assume Fanny Craggs was born as Fanny / Frances Massey abt 1837 Nottinghamshire,
here is a candidate in 1841.

Living at Common side, Selston, Notts
John Massey  30 (1811)
Ann Massey 25 (1816)
William Massey  7 (1834) 
Mary Massey 5 (1836)
Frances Massey  3 (1838)
Elizabeth Massey  1 (1840)
all bic (Notts)

Piece number 861 Book 1 Folio 12 Page 17

possible baptism
Frances Massey bapt 11 Mar 1838, Kirby in Ashfield, Notts d/o John and Ann
Can't find birth reg, could have been born just before civil reg began an baptised when several months old or got missed out of the new-fangled system.
The younger sister Elizabeth might be reg Basford Q2 1850 15 440 mmn Welton
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate

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Re: Looking for relatives of Jabez Crabtree Bingley Uk1880's
« Reply #17 on: Friday 27 October 17 09:01 BST (UK) »
John Massey married Ann Welton at Kirkby in Ashfield on 15 Apr 1833.

Can't yet find any of the family in later censuses.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Scott, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott
Essex/Herts: Livermore, Holgate, Law, Day, Myson, Boyton
Norfolk/Suffolk: Stone, Alexander, Tipple, Ingate