Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross

[littlesis 76]

I have found out a few bits. Benedict was married to Winifred Wicks they had a few children and last one was William Herbert ,I found them in 1901 but only as I found him ,he is with his mother Winfred and she is listed as married to William Barnes ?? .They are with the same family in 1911 but she is then listed  as housekeeper  and is Mrs Ross.She died in 1912 which is why I think Martina and Benedict then got married .
I have no idea where the Morris comes from ,i think it's a name she made up as she puts that as her maiden name with her two children with Benedict.
They do also use Ross,Rosscarbur and Carbur,this also I have no clue
Just too confusing

[littlesis 76]

So in 1901 Martina Ross and her 3 daughters ,1 from Walter Shave (Martina) and 2 daughters Marcia and Felicitas Ross born to Benedict using MMN Ross are in Hampstead no Benedict about but he is in Folkestone .So they moved to Gladys Road by 1902

[glenclare]

Re the last message:
The two younger daughters are registered Ross mothers maiden name Morris.

[glenclare]

I finally tracked down 18 Gladys Road in the 1901 census. RG13/126
There are three different family groups there. No obvious connection. Two heads of household living on own funds, the other a surveyor working from home.

[littlesis 76]

I was then looking for that address Glenclare ,I also cant find Benedict in 1901 at Folkestone ?
Looks like the story of Martina working for a rich Italian family is probably false then.
Looks like there are 2 families
The Shaves with Walter Shave and Harriett nee Bailey
The Ross/Rosscarbur/Carbur with Benedict and Winifred nee Wicks
Harriett was widowed and Benedict were still married so they married once Winifred died but still have no idea why she uses the name Morris
Then we have children from all 3 relationships that some we can find some are missing

1st relationship
Walter Shave 1864-1893 (no birth found) and Harriett Bailey
Walter Shave bn  1883
James Shave bn 1884 both boys living with uncle William Bailey in 1901 census
Albert Edward Shave, poss in Industrial School as inmate in 1901
Florence Maria Shave, bn 1890 poss as Florence Chapman/Shave in 1901
Martina E Shave bn 1892

2nd
Benedict John Andrew and Winifred Wicks married 3 July 1876

St Thomas Stephen Ross bn 1879
Winifred E Ross 1880-1900
Benedict J Ross 1882
William Herbert Ross bn 1895 (not sure if Benedict is his father or William Barnes who Winifred is living with in 1901

3rd Relationship
Benedict J Ross/Ross Carbur and Martina E Morris aka Harriet Bailey/Shave or Morris

Marcia Stella 1898 found in 1901,1911 in Gladys Rd with parent or parents nothing after

Felicitas Garden Ross Ross 1900,found in 1901,1911 then leaving for Canada in 1927 address Gladys Road


Also we have the two certs one birth of Martina Elizabeth Shave ,father Walter Benedict ? Shave mother Harriet Bailey
Then the marriage of Martina Elizabeth Ross to Stanley Fairweather ,father is Benedict John Ross

Had to write in all down to save my head exploding !

[glenclare]

1901 - Benedict is under Carter and is a border. I think he says born Scotland

[louisa maud]

Strange thing is to search
Walter Shave born 1864 += or - 2 years  only comes up with the marriage of Walter Shave to Harriett Bailey 1883

LM

[glenclare]

1891 mis-transcription as Share

[louisa maud]

What about
Walter George Shave
Sept qtr 1863
Marylebone
ref 1a 485
MMN Watts

Could this be Walter who you say was born 1864?

LM

John Ransome Shave full age father John
to
Mary Ann Watts minor father Richard Dec'd
Christ Church Marylebone
Dec 1845