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Offline louisa maud

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #54 on: Sunday 14 January 18 17:30 GMT (UK) »
I think the name of Martina Burwaw was taken from the census , the only name listed is the census you already know about

Haven't got a sub to help you  with BNA

LM

ps, as a matter of interest one of the Ross men was a carver by trade, do you think there might have been a miss understanding as all off a sudden the CARVUR name was shown, coincidence or what???
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
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Offline littlesis 76

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #55 on: Sunday 14 January 18 18:54 GMT (UK) »
That is Benedicts father and he us a carver or wood carver on several census and marriages.There is also a probate for  John JP Ross but can't view it with my current sub .
There are only about 4 Martina's born 1860-1870 and I have elimated the others only Martina Margaret Ross I haven't.
I have her birth and in 1871 census at school with sister Mary and nothing after apart from the death in 1880 which considering no others born I think it is her.
So what about the theory the Martina Burwaw was not actually a Martina and she took the name from Benedict's deceased sister and used it .We have this lady at the right address in 1891 but nothing before .
She uses Burwaw in the 1891 census and on a advert in 1892 for dressmaking and believe she was having a relationship with Benedict but who was she and what was her proper name,she certainly was never poor
Why would she put Fitzroy Square as place if birth have been through the census there in 71 and 81 and nothing and was looking at ages first and there really is hardly any  children living there
This lady and her relationship with Benedict really is a mystery !

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #56 on: Sunday 14 January 18 19:17 GMT (UK) »
Have you looked at addresses in Fitzroy square 1871, I am wondering if Martina ever knew where she was born, none of us know where we are born unless we are  told, she my never have been told the truth, it is a real mystery,

I do wonder if it is your Martina in school, she is not showing on any family tree, what about  her parents

Was she Jemima's  child, just a thought

Do you know her exact date of birth?

LM
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #57 on: Sunday 14 January 18 19:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi I have checked the 1871 and 81 census Fitzroy Square and nothing.
Martina Margaret bn 1864 is the daughter of John Joseph Peter Ross and Elizabeth Breen as is Benedict John Ross.Elizabeth died in 1868 so I think that's why the daughters are away at school as father remarried 1869.He hasn't got Benedict living with him but he has son James aged 9 and the 1yr old Robert A Ross who is his child with Jemina.Only Robert is living with him in the next 2 census and then he dies.

Cannot find Benedict in 1871 but as the girls are in a school may be his father sent him somewhere too ,Benedict does put Scotland as place of birth on some census so God knows

Martina on the 1891 census puts bn 1869 but she changes it over the census up to 1911 by few years back .

I wonder if it might be worth ordering her marriage to Benedict in 1916 to see who she puts as her father but really don't think they will be any truth in it. Also the 2 daughters Murcia and Felicitas have MMN Morris so where did she get that name from ?

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #58 on: Sunday 14 January 18 20:04 GMT (UK) »
1871, Albany St  I did find info on David Ross and Martha O mmn DAY, can't find them after so far, Martha O born Jersey married 1870 St Pancras and had a child born 1871 Martha , above them in the same census  was a family of Morris???

LM
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Garner, Marylebone Paddington  Northolt Ilford
Garner, Devon
Garner New Zealand
Maddieson
Parkinson St Pancras,
Lethbridge Paddington Slough
Jenkins Marylebone Paddington
Mizon/Mison/Myson Paddington
Tindal Marylebone Paddington
Tocock, (name changed to Ellis) London
Southam Marylebone, Paddington
Bragg Lambeth 1800's
Edermaniger(Maniger) Essex Kent Canada (Toronto)
Coveney Kent Lambeth
Sondes

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #59 on: Monday 15 January 18 15:16 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Louise I didn't see you had replied.
I haven't look at this family ,I have been trying to find Benedict in 1871 ,am wondering if he could if been in Scotland as his grandfather was Scottish and he does put Scotland as place of birth on some of the other census.
Also trying on GRO index for any Morris children born that could of been Martina as Burwaw doesn't exist anywhere bar the 1891 census and that census
Thank you again for your help and will let you know if I found anything x

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #60 on: Friday 19 January 18 12:59 GMT (UK) »
So Martina's grandson went into his loft again yesterday to see if he had missed anything regarding Martina's Parents
He found this photograph and on the back it says Grandad and the death as 6th Dec 1927 along with the age 79.It's in Martina's handwriting
As Benedict father has died it may be her mother "Martina Burwaw or Morris " father and may help me find who she was .The man was born in 1847/8 So could be her father
Will attach the photo and see if any one has any clues

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #61 on: Friday 19 January 18 13:23 GMT (UK) »
Enclosed photos not sure if it will work

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Re: Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross
« Reply #62 on: Friday 19 January 18 13:24 GMT (UK) »
And the front