Harriet Bailey Aka Martina Ross

[Cocoa Fairy]

Morning all!
I've only recently discovered this thread, but I've found it really helpful with clues about Benedict Ross & Martina Burwaw/Morris - thank you all so much!
I finally gave in and ordered their marriage certificate (attached) but I don't think it helps much!

[littlesis 76]

I had to take a break from Martina for a few months as she was starting to take over! .
How are you related to them and do you know anything of the 2 other daughters from her and Benedict .
The address is interesting as I have them at Gladys Road until their deaths and we def be trying to find her father but I expect this is made up
Thanks again for posting the marriage cert
Lisa

[louisa maud]

Wow Lisa, what a turn up for the books as they say, do you recognise the witnesses

Hope Cocoa  fairy comes up with more details for you

regards

Louisa Maud

[Cocoa Fairy]

I'm actually descended from Benedict's father, so not really related to Martina at all - just got sucked in by the mystery!  Not sure I can add anything about Murcia or Felicitas, but they're all on my Ross Family Tree in Ancestry (open for members to view) and I have a go at them from time to time.
I'm not convinced that Martina junior is a Shave, but have put her in twice just in case (once with Benedict & Martina as parents, and again with Harriet & Walter).
I was wondering about the witnesses too!

[littlesis 76]

The witness's don't ring any bells and the 2 father's names look so similar I wonder if that's a lie too.
Also the photo Martina Jr had labelled Grandad could not of been Martina's father as the death date is 1929 on back of photo!and the marriage cert says both father's are deceased
Why is this women so hard ,what is she hiding ?
I have been in contact with the Shave family and one lady has done a amazing job at locating all the children that Harriett had ,she has letters from the youngest daughter Florence to elder brother as the paid for Florence and her family to emigrate as well as many other documents ,Martina Jr is not mentioned on anything.Of course a DNA would prove it all once and for all.
I also don't think she belonged to the Shaves also.
Right back to ancestry to hunt this Mr Morris

[louisa maud]

The address is strange to isn't it, you know where she was in 1911 and Gladys Road features so I wonder what 20 Connaught Road was and who lived there , was it an address of convenience?

Have you had a look at death's for 1929 for names that might be familiar, might take you sometime though

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

you wrote early on
"Here is what I think I have discovered Walter Shave  and Harriet Bailey married  had 5 children he died in 1893,she met Bendict J Ross who was still married had 2 more children .She married him in 1916 once his wife died"

What about 1913 marriage or am I confused as well

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

Try searching for BLUNDELL on nearest census to marriage

Louisa Maud

[louisa maud]

GOT A CONNECTION

1901 52 Messina Ave
Edward Blundell aged 55 (DEAF) born LDN
Matilda  45 born LDN  was she a witness to the marriage 1913
George A 22 born Knightsbridge
Ernest C 21 born St Pancras
Gladys L 11 born Willesden
Sydney 3 born Hampstead
Daisy Wilson 11 born Hampstead

Then they moved

Way back you mentioned Messina Ave

Ancestry has a photo of Edward Blundell, can I suggest you have a look as it might well be the photo  you have dated 1929, just a suggestion

Louisa Maud